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Pokerella

04-29-2006, 02:44 PM Post subject: KK, doing the right thing?

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Hi everyone, thanks for all the help last time i posted, it really made me think thru things

Here's a HH that i couldn't stop thinking about afterwords. Did I do the right ting here or should I've played it differently?

Pacific Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with K

4 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A

(7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: 3

(4.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

River: J

(8.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.5BB

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midas06

04-29-2006, 03:09 PM

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Yeah you went a bit crazy here with what could be the 70 something-th best hand (guessing at that number).

Any A beats you. Any 2 hearts beats you. Any 2 pair or set beats you.

Slow down on the turn please.

I'd call his stop-n-go on the turn, and call or fold the river unimproved, depending on your read of him.

outphase

04-29-2006, 04:44 PM

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preflop: fine
flop: fine
turn: crazy, just call his bet because you only have drawing outs. Assumedly ~7 if you're behind the flush.
river: eh? what are you ahead of here that 3bets the turn?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Nehmer

04-29-2006, 04:52 PM

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yep, definately went a bit crazy here....all you really have is a flush draw with almost zero chance of getting an ace to fold and little chance of getting much action if you hit the 4 card flush. I just call down after SBs turn bet.

pokerfanatic

04-29-2006, 08:40 PM

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i don't like the river raise i don't even like the turn raise you have to figure you are only drawing... to myabe a set and more likely a nut Flush...

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Fnord

04-30-2006, 10:19 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Call the turn, call the river. I don't see any value in raising. You certainly have outs, might be good, gettting 3-bet sucks and I see no reason to think he folds a better hand or one with lots of outs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

you have to figure you are only drawing...

I think he's good here a lot. However, when he's good raising doesn't help him any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Miffed22001

05-01-2006, 02:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

you have to figure you are only drawing...

I think he's good here a lot. However, when he's good raising doesn't help him any.

dont raise but definatly show this down a lot

Pokerella

05-01-2006, 11:08 AM

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Thanks again people.

The interesting thing about this hand is that i had nothing. Nothing good at least as i mucked his cards and i won the pot.

My own reasoning was that he was testing me. The SB had bean in almost every hand as since I sat down ant I had bean at the table for almost an hour. He never folded his blinds and took almost every hand to showdown (when i checked later in pokertracker he had 67% VPP and 73% WtSD) and seldom won at showdown.

But it still didn't "felt" right so posted it hear. Is it EV+ in the long run at least calling done this type of hand against bad players (without the crazy turn and river raising)? I'm a Little worried about that playing micro-limits will give me bad habits and a wrong picture about the game as so many players at that level do the craziest thing. Sometimes it feels like playing a mindless, faceless, random, generic and anonymous opponent

Pokerella

05-01-2006, 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I think he's good here a lot. However, when he's good raising doesn't help him any.

Hi Fnord, what did you mean by this?

outphase

05-01-2006, 02:24 PM

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run this line at X/Y LHE where X and Y are whole numbers, you'll be eaten alive

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Fnord

05-01-2006, 05:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokerella

The interesting thing about this hand is that i had nothing.

Hold'em is a game where quite often no one has much of anything. Kings are often good here.

Call turn, raise river if you improve is the best line without a more specific read.

If you knew ahead this guy was a tard, I like the turn raise, but just call the 3-bet and river.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

pokerfanatic

05-01-2006, 05:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

you have to figure you are only drawing...

I think he's good here a lot. However, when he's good raising doesn't help him any.

Maybe he's ahead but one of the biggest things I can remember from my FR micro limits play was that AX was playing for any amount PF and to the river. To me it almost seems like he has A3 or something like that... or even a made flush with junk... I just think he is drawing thin here...

euphoricism

05-01-2006, 08:59 PM

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I dont mind the flop raise, as his donk doesn't mean a whole lot. I DO mind the flop cap. And when he still leads the river, theres no way you should raise.

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