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Old 07-07-2005, 01:01 AM     Post subject: KK checkraised on flop... #1 (permalink)  
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Is my flop 3 bet reasonable?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) T, 7, 9 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (13.16 BB) T (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.16 BB
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:10 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Not 3-betting the flop would be criminal
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:48 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i think you played it fine...
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Old 07-07-2005, 03:12 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Not 3-betting the flop would be criminal
And the call down is fine. Can't find a poor point in the hand (without a nuts only read on CO).
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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 For good measure I'd probably raise the turn here with a relatively safe board card. I bet he's more likely holding the flush and/or straight draw here than a set or made hand. Otherwise call down like you did.


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Old 07-07-2005, 06:27 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I like a turn raise too, that was a good card for you.

Got read? What's the plan if 3-bet?
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The only reason I don't like a turn raise is that I can't give UTG a bad price on a draw, and I'm in a whole lot of trouble if I get 3-bet.
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The only reason I don't like a turn raise is that I can't give UTG a bad price on a draw, and I'm in a whole lot of trouble if I get 3-bet.
Big pot, probably the best hand and a draw is really going to not like calling 2 big bets on a paired board with 1 card to come.
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Old 07-07-2005, 07:55 PM #9 (permalink)  
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For me, it all comes down to what you think a flop CAP means coming from this specific player. IOWs, what's your read? You've decided that your not folding your Ks, so how do play out the rest of the hand given CO's flop CAP?

What are your opponent's potential holdings?

Made hands:
- two pair (e.g. T9, T7, 97)
- made str8 with J8
- a set (e.g. TT, 77, 99)
Draws:
- an open ender (e.g. A8, x8)
- a gutshot (e.g. Jx, 6x)
- a club flush draw

What kind of player is he? e.g. Weak/tight or aggressive.

There are just some players that would never in a million years cap the flop without a made hand. If he's an otherwise, str8-forward, weak/tight that doesn't like to pump his draws then his flop cap might make me inclined to think he already has has a set, str8 or two-pair. (Aside: His most likley two pair holding on that board is T9, so I don't see how that turn card is all that safe for you in this context. Then again if he does have 2-pair but not x9 specifically, then you just hit a better 2 pair. The 9h does give you a re-draw to a boat and it does not complete the obvious str8 and flush draws).

On the other hand, if this player is more the aggro type, then you may be more inlcined to credit him with simply pumping his draw and in that context a raise on the TURN (assuming a "safe" card) would be more appropriate.

In my B&M games I know many of the players I play against and how they play. Who specifcally I'm up against will strongly dictate how I would play a hand like this. Like I said, IN GENERAL, the conserative weak/tights are gonna get called down, and the laggy aggros are gonna get raised on the turn.

Bottom line is you gotta know your players and formulate reads. That all being said, even laggy aggros can pick up real hands from time to time. e.g J8s is a potential holding for the flop capper and let's assume your read of this person is an aggro that is likely pumping his flush draw. SO now you are up against a made str8 on the flop and because of the image you have of your opponent you are very vulnerable to this mis-read and as a result you are likley paying off his str8 (unless you fill up). He'd love it if you raised him on the TURN; it's 3-bet time for him!!
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