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Khabbi

01-09-2005, 10:29 PM Post subject: KK - Bad Play or Just Bad Luck?

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Join Date: Nov 2004

Posts: 381

Hi,

I haven't posted before, but today I think I had a really bad turn of luck. Now, it might be that I was playing on micro-limit tables so I might deserve these beats.

I would like any suggestions as to where I should be starting and with how much bankroll if micro-limit tables are a bad place to play.

Please provide some analysis of my KK hands over the past couple weeks:

Hand #1
Game #686140536 - $0.02/$0.04 Texas Hold'em - 2005/01/07-19:30:03.1 (CST)
Table "Kabara" (real money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: OmahaMamma ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 3: Furious88 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 4: hotbob ($1.59 in chips)
Seat 5: nottakenname ($1.61 in chips)
Seat 6: ITSLOTSAFUNK ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 7: big ange 2 ($1.93 in chips)
Seat 8: cc_quick ($1.67 in chips)
Seat 10: Jouwan ($0.66 in chips)
OmahaMamma: Post Small Blind ($0.01)
Furious88: Post Big Blind ($0.02)
Dealing...
Dealt to nottakenname [ Kd ]
Dealt to nottakenname [ Kc ]
hotbob : Call ($0.02)
nottakenname: Raise ($0.04)
ITSLOTSAFUNK: Fold
big ange 2: Call ($0.04)
cc_quick: Call ($0.04)
Jouwan : Call ($0.04)
OmahaMamma: Call ($0.03)
Furious88: Call ($0.02)
hotbob : Call ($0.02)
*** FLOP *** : [ 8c 4d 6c ]
OmahaMamma: Check
Furious88: Check
hotbob : Check
nottakenname: Bet ($0.02)
big ange 2: Fold
cc_quick: Fold
Jouwan : Call ($0.02)
OmahaMamma: Call ($0.02)
Furious88: Call ($0.02)
hotbob : Call ($0.02)
*** TURN *** : [ 8c 4d 6c ] [ 3c ]
OmahaMamma: Bet ($0.04)
Furious88: Call ($0.04)
hotbob : Call ($0.04)
nottakenname: Call ($0.04)
Jouwan : Fold
*** RIVER *** : [ 8c 4d 6c 3c ] [ 5h ]
OmahaMamma: Check
Furious88: Check
hotbob : Check
nottakenname: Check
*** SUMMARY ***

Pot: $0.54 | Rake: $0
Board: [ 8c 4d 6c 3c 5h ]
OmahaMamma bet $0.10, collected $0.54, net +$0.44 (showed hand) [ Jc 9c ] (a flush, jack high)
Furious88 lost $0.10 [ 6s 3h ] (two pair, sixes and threes)
hotbob lost $0.10 [ 4h 8h ] (two pair, eights and fours)
nottakenname lost $0.10 [ Kd Kc ] (a pair of kings)
ITSLOTSAFUNK didn't bet (folded)
big ange 2 lost $0.04 (folded)
cc_quick lost $0.04 (folded)
Jouwan lost $0.06 (folded)
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Hand #2
Game #687747127 - $0.02/$0.04 Texas Hold'em - 2005/01/09-14:06:42.0 (CST)
Table "Austral" (real money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: mweetoBaBado ($2.35 in chips)
Seat 2: nottakenname ($0.74 in chips)
Seat 3: Bull Moose ($2.08 in chips)
Seat 4: mikejr_hoss ($2.00 in chips)
Seat 6: mctennis ($1.64 in chips)
Seat 7: ibmref ($2.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Tommy 7's ($1.46 in chips)
Seat 9: TruSpin ($0.72 in chips)
Seat 10: tommeej ($1.06 in chips)
mweetoBaBado: Post Small Blind ($0.01)
nottakenname: Post Big Blind ($0.02)
Dealing...
Dealt to nottakenname [ Ks ]
Dealt to nottakenname [ Kh ]
Bull Moose: Call ($0.02)
mikejr_hoss: Call ($0.02)
mctennis: Fold
ibmref : Call ($0.02)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.02)
TruSpin : Call ($0.02)
tommeej : Call ($0.02)
mweetoBaBado: Call ($0.01)
nottakenname: Raise ($0.02)
Bull Moose: Call ($0.02)
mikejr_hoss: Call ($0.02)
ibmref : Call ($0.02)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.02)
TruSpin : Call ($0.02)
tommeej : Fold
mweetoBaBado: Call ($0.02)
*** FLOP *** : [ 3h 6s Js ]
mweetoBaBado: Check
nottakenname: Bet ($0.02)
Bull Moose: Call ($0.02)
mikejr_hoss: Call ($0.02)
ibmref : Call ($0.02)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.02)
TruSpin : Call ($0.02)
mweetoBaBado: Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 3h 6s Js ] [ 3c ]
nottakenname: Bet ($0.04)
Bull Moose: Call ($0.04)
mikejr_hoss: Call ($0.04)
ibmref : Call ($0.04)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.04)
TruSpin : Call ($0.04)
*** RIVER *** : [ 3h 6s Js 3c ] [ 8h ]
nottakenname: Check
Bull Moose: Bet ($0.04)
mikejr_hoss: Fold
ibmref : Fold
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.04)
TruSpin : Call ($0.04)
nottakenname: Raise ($0.08)
Bull Moose: Call ($0.04)
Tommy 7's: Fold
TruSpin : Call ($0.04)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $0.94 | Rake: $0
Board: [ 3h 6s Js 3c 8h ]
mweetoBaBado lost $0.04 (folded)
nottakenname lost $0.18 (showed hand) [ Ks Kh ] (two pair, kings and threes)
Bull Moose bet $0.18, collected $0.94, net +$0.76 (showed hand) [ 4d 3s ] (three of a kind, threes)
mikejr_hoss lost $0.10 (folded)
mctennis didn't bet (folded)
ibmref lost $0.10 (folded)
Tommy 7's lost $0.14 (folded)
TruSpin lost $0.18 (showed hand) [ Qd Jd ] (two pair, jacks and threes)
tommeej lost $0.02 (folded)
-----------------------------------------------------

Hand #3
Game #687766602 - $0.02/$0.04 Texas Hold'em - 2005/01/09-14:33:55.8 (CST)
Table "Austral" (real money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: mweetoBaBado ($2.06 in chips)
Seat 2: nottakenname ($0.23 in chips)
Seat 4: Hillbilly269 ($1.94 in chips)
Seat 5: macdoggy ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 7: ibmref ($3.61 in chips)
Seat 8: Tommy 7's ($1.41 in chips)
Seat 9: TruSpin ($0.93 in chips)
Seat 10: DblDeuce22 ($1.40 in chips)
TruSpin : Post Small Blind ($0.01)
DblDeuce22: Post Big Blind ($0.02)
Dealing...
Dealt to nottakenname [ Kh ]
Dealt to nottakenname [ Kc ]
mweetoBaBado: Fold
nottakenname: Raise ($0.04)
Hillbilly269: Call ($0.04)
macdoggy: Fold
ibmref : Call ($0.04)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.04)
TruSpin : Fold
DblDeuce22: Call ($0.02)
*** FLOP *** : [ 2c Qs 3d ]
DblDeuce22: Check
nottakenname: Bet ($0.02)
Hillbilly269: Fold
ibmref : Call ($0.02)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.02)
DblDeuce22: Call ($0.02)
*** TURN *** : [ 2c Qs 3d ] [ Js ]
DblDeuce22: Check
nottakenname: Check
ibmref : Check
Tommy 7's: Bet ($0.04)
DblDeuce22: Call ($0.04)
nottakenname: Raise ($0.08)
ibmref : Call ($0.08)
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.04)
DblDeuce22: Call ($0.04)
*** RIVER *** : [ 2c Qs 3d Js ] [ As ]
DblDeuce22: Bet ($0.04)
nottakenname: Raise ($0.08)
ibmref : Fold
Tommy 7's: Call ($0.08)
DblDeuce22: Call ($0.04)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $0.85 | Rake: $0
Board: [ 2c Qs 3d Js As ]
mweetoBaBado didn't bet (folded)
nottakenname lost $0.22 (showed hand) [ Kh Kc ] (a pair of kings)
Hillbilly269 lost $0.04 (folded)
macdoggy didn't bet (folded)
ibmref lost $0.14 (folded)
Tommy 7's lost $0.22 (showed hand) [ Jd Qd ] (two pair, queens and jacks)
TruSpin lost $0.01 (folded)
DblDeuce22 bet $0.22, collected $0.85, net +$0.63 (showed hand) [ 5h 4s ] (a straight, ace to five)
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Toasty

01-09-2005, 10:40 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Apr 2004

Location: England UK

Posts: 1,522

Hand 1 you played well

Hand 2 The turn call is mandatory as you have the Kc once all the cards are out with that many people in the pot its best to check call on the river and hope for the best.

Hand 3 the same at the river anyone with an ace has you beat so there is no point in raising anymore.

I'll add these points:

1) In games where a lot of people are in for the flop you will get a lot of bad beats, your big hands will win big pots but not as often as normal games. For every extra person who sees the flop your chances of winning decrease.

2) Watch out for people who bet out of turn it usually means they have improved, with a PP you have very little chance to improve (unless you have extra outs via 4 flush OESD etc.)

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01-09-2005, 10:43 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

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hand 1:
well played

hand 2:
no reason the raise the river, just call

hand 3:
bet the turn. fail that call the river down.

DaNutsInYoEye

01-10-2005, 01:35 AM

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Hand 2) Curse like hell when 6 other people call a raise to see the flop and then pray that you hit a set.

TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?

elipsesjeff

01-10-2005, 04:45 AM

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Hand 2 you need more post flop technique. You were giving everyone and their brother odds to call you. There were two things you could do:

1) check in the Big Blind and then check raise the flop no matter what (a little HEFAP strategy). You will do this so you don't give odds on the later rounds for callers to draw out on you. You forego a small edge preflop to make a bigger one post flop. Most raises on the Big Blind won't decrease the number of people seeing the flop.

2) check raise on the flop. if it checks around you are hoping someone will bet out so you can raise and force everyone else to call incorrectly. You arent able to control your odds here if you just bet out, so even the guy with 34o has odds to call with his bottom pair.

Better post flop play is needed, consult SSH for more. The other two hands you were drawn out on, not much you can do.

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