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golfguy37
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05-20-2009, 05:47 PM
Post subject: King High Flush?
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PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP) ($0.96)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($2.29)
SB ($3.87)
BB ($3.50)
UTG ($2.94)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 4 , K , Q, J
1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, CO bets $0.06, Button calls $0.06, 1 fold, BB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.25) 2, 5, K (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, Button calls $0.06, 1 fold
Turn: ($0.43) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.48, Button calls $0.48, Hero calls $0.28
River: ($1.87) 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.36 (All-In), CO raises to $0.96 (All-In), Button calls $0.96
Total pot: $4.15 | Rake: $0.20
I my reasoning was that my opponent had the low and nothing but the low. I figured there were only 4 hearts left in the deck and the odds that one player had two of them with the ace was not good. In a 3 way pot, I figured I could take the hole high pot while my opponents split the low. This backfired. Should I have folded even though my gut told me he had a low?
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lNormajean
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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fold turn, in future play for both hi and lo hands like the one you played shud be avoided because you are only playin for half the pot which in the long run isnt goin to do you any good.
king high flush is very rarely good in O8
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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check fold every street except river & fold pre.
unless you are drawing for the nuts pretty much never play for half - even then usually don't. At these low levels I suspect you can make a killing just playing big two way hands.
The flop may look good to you but you have to assume a low will come in AND you may not be best for high right now AND you may not have the best flush draw. Even if these hands are good again you're still playing for half and if you end up with TP you'll often lose to a straight or two pair.
I would not listen to your gut for a while because it's telling you what you want to hear, not what you need to, which is fine/standard early in your career.
I would also play limit O8 before PLO8 and high only before that.
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golfguy37
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Ok thanks for the advice. I agree that I should have folded it preflop then I wouldnt have gotten into the problem in the first place.
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salsa4ever
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Full House
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Location: Melbourne
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no no no!!! Don't play high only hands on low boards. Here you might be good, but against a decent opponent (aggressive like me!!) you're just going to get tested for all your chips to get your money back. It's three handed too. Major leak here, I'd stick with PLO high if you can't get this concept fast
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Originally Posted by bigred
Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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salsa4ever
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Location: Melbourne
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oh another thing:
FAMOUS LAST WORDS OF THE BAD 08 PLAYER
"perhaps he only has low (or high)"
usually said when wanting to call for a split with a non-nut high or non-nut low only
not picking on you golfguy btw
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Originally Posted by bigred
Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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golfguy37
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I understand. I think I get the concept.
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TLR
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salsa and drmcboy pretty much summed it up, I will add my 2c
Preflop: definitely fold, you have a bad hand and bad position. As an easy rule of thumb in high low, the only high only hands you want to play are those that are very coordinated on all 4 cards (basically you want to have all 4 cards T and above with either a pair and suited ace, double suited or double high pair. In addition when you play high only hands you are better off playing them heads up.
Flop: Another rules of thumb - make all your bets in PLO8 between half the pot and pot size. Pot control is a very important aspect in PL games (more so then NL games IMO) and betting less then a quarter of the pot usually does nothing that helps you
On this specific hand check-fold for the reasons already mentioned, there are two more aspects that I think are important: You are holding 3 of the suit which reduce your chance of hitting your hand, and you are holding both the Q and J of hearts, this means that if anyone makes a flush that you beat it is a T high flush, which dramatically reduced the (already minor) chance of you getting paid with the best hand. In addition with this flop if you continue playing basically you want to see the 9,T,J,Qh, and two of them are in your hand, so you basically are looking for a 2 outer here for a non nut hand.
Turn: Never bet this you have to assume at best you have half the pot, even if you stay in the hand, so you want the pot to be multiway
River: If you got here you are pot commited
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rllngn
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Join Date: May 2009
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i play alot of omaha hi lo, i think i would folded early, alot of times with that flop and turn,someone could easily have the ace/low heart and scoop the whole pot, i dont think i would went all in with this hand, although i do see you staying with the king high, still even if someone hit set of flop that river could have easily paired the board and you would of lost to the boat, save you money for a better hand
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hopeful
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I might have called pre in position with multiway action however after the flop you are drawing to the second (or 3rd) best high hand and their is a low draw on the board. This has got to be check fold spot anything else is going to loose money.
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tonilegend
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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in hand like this, when you have a flush king high, your hand don't let you fold, even your mind tell you that there is better hand. I'm saying this because i would do the same
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DaGrinch
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I must be a really bad Om HL player! OK, I'll agree that the hand should have been let go at the preflop raise. But it wasn't. Now we get a flat call on the flop bet. Feels like both are on a low draw to me. All kinds of action after the turn. Looks like villians are duking it out for the low. Heck, at $0.02 table one of them may think he is good with the Ah and four hearts on the board! Sure, I'd worry about Ahxh (or may be even 4h6h) but I think you play it out once the turn hits.
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