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TylerK
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07-20-2005, 04:12 AM
Post subject: K7s in SB against UTG PFR
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Thoughts?
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 , K. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises, 4 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, MP3 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (17 SB) 6 , K, T (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (11.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
River: (14.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks.
Final Pot: 14.50 BB
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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fold preflop.
otherwise, the rest is fine.
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Nehmer
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This is a must fold preflop.
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What about UTG's play? He has JJ. (I'm pyschic)
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You must be on drugs pre-flop.
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TylerK
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So, am I not completely mental for thinking there's a chance that neither of the preflop raisers has me beat after the flop?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Originally Posted by TylerK
So, am I not completely mental for thinking there's a chance that neither of the preflop raisers has me beat after the flop?
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yeah probably...but the pot's big enough to go either way
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TylerK
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Another question, what the heck is UTG doing with his pocket jacks? Does he think his hand might be good?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Another question, what the heck is UTG doing with his pocket jacks? Does he think his hand might be good?
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Looks like a typical online TAggy blast away post-flop game to me.
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I don't see how you want to play K7s four handed, in first position, for at least three bets. Is that like a super-defense of the blinds attack by someone UTG?
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TylerK
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OK, the Shaymalananana-esque twist ending to this story is that I'm actually UTG with JJ in this hand. Jeff said he thought the guy played his hand well postflop, I thought the flop donkbet was absurd.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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vegaas2
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As for the SB, horrible call PF. As for your hand, I might have gotten away from it after third flush card fell. Now you have an over card and flush staring at you, I wouldnt have bet there with that many people still in. Maybe if it was heads up or even one additional person, but with that many, I just check and fold if raised.
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Originally Posted by vegaas2
As for the SB, horrible call PF. As for your hand, I might have gotten away from it after third flush card fell. Now you have an over card and flush staring at you, I wouldnt have bet there with that many people still in. Maybe if it was heads up or even one additional person, but with that many, I just check and fold if raised.
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At this point he thought he was ahead. The player behind him was a very passive opponent (agg <1) and I figured if Tyler bet the turn he'd get his free showdown. It was me giving him advice in this hand on how to play an high pair with overs on the flop.
To me, the donk bet on the flop symbolizes that SB actually had some sort of hand, whether it was a draw, bottom pair, middle pair, who knows. He was a BAD player with a high VPIP and low PFR. Tyler has to raise on the flop there to hopefully get MP3 out of the hand (like i said he was a passive player) in case his hand can beats Tyler if he does hit (examples include a gutshot draw, etc.). By calling the flop raise I was really confused by MP3 as well, but, as long as he doesn't raise I'm not worried about him. As long as SB doesn't donk bet again then you are fine, but, if he does, then he'll have to find a fold.
MP3 had 88 and I was right for telling Tyler to check behind the river, because that passive opponent would want to take his showdown anyway. Also, if he did bet SB would have called and Tyler would have to fold.
Thats my explanation of how things went down and our thought process at the time. We're interested to hear your thoughts on things.
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Holy donk strike preflop batman
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