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Chopper

01-09-2009, 03:01 PM Post subject: this just in....hand 3

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this actually just happened...villains are ALL 45%+. i am not converting this so i can associate the names with stats.
me..30/20
unknown
unknown
poerger 90/10/3 and on a rush
michman 50/3/1.8
jossix 55/35/2.3

so, you can envision what i am dealing with. i decide i to rock it up for awhile, or leave. so, i rock for a minute, but am planning on bailing once another round or two hits, if i get better reads on these fools.

then, this...
PokerStars Game #23724505013: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/01/09 10:51:36 ET
Table 'Marceline II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jossix111 ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 2: pfsbulldawg ($14 in chips)
Seat 3: Schnogehals ($31.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Poerger ($39.35 in chips)
Seat 6: michman78 ($21.85 in chips)
michman78: posts small blind $0.25
jossix111: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [Jc Js]
pfsbulldawg: raises $0.50 to $1
Schnogehals: calls $1
Poerger: calls $1
ron.cton joins the table at seat #4
michman78: calls $0.75
jossix111: raises $0.50 to $1.50
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.50
Schnogehals: calls $0.50
Poerger: calls $0.50
michman78: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [4s 7d 5d]
michman78: checks
jossix111: bets $0.50
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.50
Schnogehals: calls $0.50
Poerger: calls $0.50
michman78: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4s 7d 5d] [9d]
michman78: checks
jossix111: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
Schnogehals: checks
Poerger: checks
*** RIVER *** [4s 7d 5d 9d] [7c]
michman78: bets $1
jossix111: folds
pfsbulldawg: ??

can we ever fold here, even though we have to be beat a ton of the time? isnt the pot just too big to fold, or do we have to with the crazies left to act?

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BennyLaRue

01-09-2009, 03:18 PM

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Why the lack of aggression against such loose players?

Raise flop. As played: Bet turn. The river is really tough. Michman all of a sudden coming alive is out of sorts and you've got two more to act behind you. Poerger is insane so doesn't worry me but sounds like you don't have much on Schnogehals. I probably take a call/fold line.

Chopper

01-09-2009, 03:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Why the lack of aggression against such loose players?

honestly, because i cant make anyone make a mistake by raising. and, THESE players will not fold if they are in a hand. look at that cooridnation! flush draws, straight draws all over the place, AND a couple of these guys are playing well over 50% of their hands...proeger is playing 90%! this flop hits their ranges with big draws way more often that it gives me a significant edge over THREE players that wont fold. so, raising the flop has more potential to screw me than gain a little equity, imo. but, i could be way off, too.

quick shot of a rough guess at our pf equity...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.782% 39.62% 00.26% 556969546 3607181.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 13.316% 13.24% 00.11% 186162981 1480546.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 10.156% 10.13% 00.05% 142343644 763721.50 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 93o+, 84o+, 74o+, 64o+, 53o+ }
Hand 3: 13.366% 13.16% 00.24% 185032237 3318450.25 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 23.380% 22.93% 00.51% 322318579 7134658.25 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

now, the flop...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.089% 22.82% 00.27% 482203819 5687311.19 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 33.124% 31.32% 01.81% 661724955 38219535.05 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 10.856% 10.29% 00.57% 217399860 11996841.18 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 93o+, 84o+, 74o+, 64o+, 53o+ }
Hand 3: 16.990% 15.20% 01.79% 321098867 37909574.84 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 15.942% 15.03% 00.91% 317684473 19183297.87 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

and, turn...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.556% 28.48% 00.08% 31682769 84743.69 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 16.932% 16.17% 00.76% 17992480 843838.46 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 07.324% 07.17% 00.16% 7972335 175711.47 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 93o+, 84o+, 74o+, 64o+, 53o+ }
Hand 3: 23.103% 22.32% 00.78% 24835367 866198.42 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 24.085% 23.72% 00.36% 26393390 400713.36 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

the turn equity absolutely amazes me with the flush hitting.

but, that was why the passive play. again, not that its correct. i just didnt see myself having any "edge" to push that didnt increase the hell out of my variance....which was already suffering big time on this hand and the reason i decided to "rock it up" for a bit.

maybe a bit of tilt, too, because the 90% guy hammered a huge hand off me when i had AKs and flopped AKX and he runnered the J and T for his Q7s, after cold calling my pfr AND calling down the turn, to scoop the pot.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

MarkWade

01-09-2009, 08:17 PM

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I call also, if for no other reason, to get more information on the players for next time. Is that line of reasoning ok? Or am I throwing money away?

Trons

01-09-2009, 09:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkWade

I call also, if for no other reason, to get more information on the players for next time. Is that line of reasoning ok? Or am I throwing money away?

Any chance we can get you to convert this...I tried adding up pot sizes and had to take a break from poker (headache insues)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Trons is right!

Jsttrons

Chopper

01-09-2009, 10:44 PM

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sure, now that you know who is who. i just dont know their positions relative to me....but, y'all are reading the hand...not me. i know the outcome....haha.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, J

Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls

Flop: (15 SB) 4

, 7

, 5

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls

Turn: (10 BB) 9

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks

River: (10 BB) 7

(5 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, Hero ??

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

01-10-2009, 04:53 AM

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cap PF!
if u dont, to have likely bettor on your right, then u have to raise flop!

you have to charge them for their draws, even if u know they wont fold, it is better to charge them X-1 than NOTHING (infinite odds)

I'd call the river, no questions asked

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KoRnholio

01-10-2009, 09:29 AM

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ez river call. SB will show up with a flush or 7 often, but given that no one bet the turn, hands like 66, A9, 88, TT are all very possible as well.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

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