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LeFou
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04-27-2005, 02:54 PM
Post subject: JTs in SB
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4-of-a-Kind
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Sorry to keep buggin', but JTs is definitely one of those things I'm iffy on. This one's JdTd, 5-way unraised to the flop:
  
That's right, flopped a tolerable flush and a cold freerolling SF draw. I go for the checkraise as I'm first to act I know there'll be a bet at that board.
Things do not go quite as I planned. There's a bet AND a raise back to me. I cold-called. The turn
paired the board but it checked around. Do you guys bet this?
River was blank, not a diamond. I bet out, got one call and took it down.
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I probably bet the turn after coldcalling the flop. I may even 3-bet the flop. Chance of a higher flush is small. Most likely: original bettor had a K , raiser had an A. Maybe vice versa.
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Tripps7
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You almost have to 3 bet/cap this flop. The only hands that beat yours is Qxs and Kxs and that is rare.
I bet the turn and river...
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Rondavu
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It's correct to stay aggressive on the flop to make them pay for the draw.
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LeFou
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
You almost have to 3 bet/cap this flop. The only hands that beat yours is Qxs and Kxs and that is rare.
I bet the turn and river...
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That's true on the flop, but with that turn there's suddenly a lot of stuff that beats me; it's a way-ahead-or-way-behind situation, and the checkaround answers that question.
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Tripps7
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by LeFou
That's true on the flop, but with that turn there's suddenly a lot of stuff that beats me; it's a way-ahead-or-way-behind situation, and the checkaround answers that question.
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In my opinion, I think that is weak.
Picture this. The guy with the Kd, an 8 or a 9 bets out on the flop. They guy with an A rag raises. Or vice versa. People will bet/raise the flop with all kinds of stuff. A 3 bet is usually when it gets serious to these guys. And it might have given you the same info that your check on the turn gave you.
I bet the turn, call a raise and then check/call the river or bet the river if only called on the turn. If you bet the turn and then it's 2 bets back to you then I might let it go...
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pokerfanatic
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I would probably 3 bet that flop, and stay aggressive with it especially if he will only raise me wit the nuts, if he's not raising you have the hand, if he does hope for a miracle straight flush sometimes you’ll realize he picked a horrid spot to play TTP aggressive, so a call down he continues to show aggression and you don’t improve might not be THAT bad of an idea… I have gotten myself into to these situations a few times and misstep and paid the guy off huge… don’t be like me if at all possible, loose as little as possible win as much as possible, simple as that 
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Lead and 3-bet the flop, don't get too cute passing up an AMAZING edge.
I lead the turn too, until raised I see no compelling reason to think you don't have the best hand. Fail that, you have a 2-outer no one will see comming.
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