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Hermann the Lombard
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11-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Post subject: JT - 2pr - Raise or Run?
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 270
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PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is CO with T , J .
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: (7.50 SB) J , 3, 9 (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 folds, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.
Turn: (5.75 BB) T (4 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises...
Early in session, no significant reads.
MP2 38/4.4/1.6
MP3 31/2.0/1.1 (49 hands) saw 96s in HJ c/c flop trips
Button < 10 hands, in about 2/3, no PFR
I don't know what to make of this...if I'm ahead I want to raise, if I'm not I want to run away...perhaps before the roof falls in on that draw-laden board. My backdoor draws are gone, if someone has KQ I'm about to hear about it. It seems calling can't be right.
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Raise, call if 3 bet comes back to you.
If he just calls you are probably in good shape. If he raises back to you I'd call and look at a river fold unimproved.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Easy raise. Folding is out of the question and we don't want to let people with diamonds, spades, 8x or Qx draw cheaply.
KQ isn't very likely here. More likely are hands like QJ, T9, diamond draws etc.
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My backdoor draws are gone
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What do you mean? You hit probably one of the best cards for you. You just out drew many hands that you were behind (KJ, QJ, J9) and there is still no flush possible. You don't need no stinkin' backdoor straight draws 
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Hermann the Lombard
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
You don't need no stinkin' backdoor straight draws |
Reminds me of the old, old cliche: "He lost two farms drawing to inside straights; he lost the third when he hit one."
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DrivingDog
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
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I think you have to raise here. You're likely ahead and you want to charge anyone drawing to a straight or flush. It is a bit of a puke-raise however because if someone has you beat they're going to 3bet and you're pretty much drawing dead vs. a set or made straight. Then again some people will 3 bet with T9 so it's hard to find a fold in a big pot unless maybe the fourth straight card comes on the river and/or more than one of your opponents gets excited.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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Hermann the Lombard
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Speaking of more than one opponent getting excited, last night I had a hand where I spewed hideously against three villains and then sucked out on them equally hideously. I'd be embarassed to post it and I promise I won't spew like that again.
Really.
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Fnord
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Raise the flop too.
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