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RiverMonkey
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02-14-2005, 07:53 PM
Post subject: JJ and hit my set two hands in a row and then .....
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Last night ... playing $4-8 at the B&M.
Please, this is not intended to be a bad-beat story ... I just want to know if I should have played my hands differently.
Hand 1
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I'm in the BB and I look down at JJ in the hole .. sweet .... A good hand to play. I raise pre-flop and 3 callers see the flop with me.
Flop is: Js Xs Yh
Sweet; I've hit my set, but there are two of one suit on the board. I bet on the flop and I get two callers. Ok fine .... I'm thinking, the callers either have a pair, two pair or a flush draw .......
Turn is also a spade. I bet and get two callers; no raise, so I figure they are still drawing and do not have a made flush, or they are still sitting on one (unlikely) or two pair, or that dreaded flush draw.
River is also a spade ... I bet (should I have?) hoping for the the best ... and get raised .... I call, and sure enough he shows me a hand with a single spade (no pairing to the board) and takes down the pot.
Literally, the very Next Hand
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I'm SB ... I look down at JJ again .... I'm a little gun-shy and little annoyed but successfully managing my emotions .... I refuse to play the hand weak!!
Flop is something like Jh Xh Yx .... I'm thinking ... great .... here we go again, but I refuse to play it weak ... afterall ... I got a set of Js ... that's a monster! Two callers again.
Turn is another heart ..... I curse inside my head, and ignore ..... the "here we go again" nagging feeling, and come out betting. One caller ....
River ... yep, you guessed it .. another heart. My stomach sinks .... I bet (I probably shoulda check-called, but anyway ...) I get raised ...look over at the exact same guy from the previous hand ... He, feeling somewhat sorry for me, but liking his situation now (I would too, so no offense to him) ... nods at me and smiles ... seeming to indicate .. ""don't call my raise". .. He raises ... I fold and then he, quite nicely, shows me a one-hearted hand for his flush.
I quite healthily just tried to shrug it off and laugh ... But I did have to "get up for a short walk" if you know what I mean. 
Did I get too attached to my J-sets with those three of one suit boards?
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4-of-a-Kind
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hand 1: check call the river. only better hands will call/raise. but you can induce a bluff if you check.
hand 2: check call, for the same reasons.
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Fnord
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ChezJ
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did you consider a checkraise on the flop?
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RiverMonkey
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I don't think CR'ing the flop would accomplish much in this situation ... I had the best hand until the river and led the betting the whole way including pre-flop.
Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but IMHO my opponents made more mistakes than I did in these hands ..... They had no business cold calling pre-flop, or calling my raise on the flop ....
Checking the flop in anticipation of trying to pull off a check-raise would very likely have just given my opponents a free-card and given them a free-ride to suck out on me.
I agree with hyper ... I should have check-called the river on the first hand, and given my correct read on the second hand my fold on the river turned out to be correct. Although, again hyper is right ... without the obvious read from my sympathetic opponent, my fold on the river would normally be a mistake in this situation too.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by RiverMonkey
Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but IMHO my opponents made more mistakes than I did in these hands ..... They had no business cold calling pre-flop, or calling my raise on the flop ....
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RiverMonkey
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Flush
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Agreed ... these are precisely the opponents that pay you off for your set more often than not and quite handsomely too! ....
No complaints here! Just chalk it up to learning experience ... Onward and Upward!
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ChezJ
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i don't know... it depends on what specific hands they were holding when they rivered their flushes. if they had two overcards to the flop, like AQ, then they had correct odds to draw to the turn for one small bet. then once they hit their flush redraws, they had correct odds to chase to the river as well.
a checkraise on the flop makes any chasing a clear mistake, but in a raised multiway pot, calling just one small bet is often technically correct.
ChezJ
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RiverMonkey
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I understand what you are saying and your argument is sound assuming a CR would have worked.
HOWEVER, they would not have bet if I had checked and therefore they would have taken the free card. As a result, I would have given them infinite odds to draw out on me.
The way the cards played out, I was bound to lose money on these hands. But Hyper's point (and the CR'ing points) are well taken; I could have saved one big-bet with a check call down on the river.
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