Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

All Other (Limit) Poker

  > 

JJ faced aggression

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
kyc12
Old 09-25-2006, 03:57 AM     Post subject: JJ faced aggression #1 (permalink)  

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 89
kyc12
Successfully converted Pacific Hands using
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

Pacific Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises, CO calls, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 9 4 T (3.5SB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, CO folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 (3.75BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: 2 (5.75BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.75BB

Villian is 64/25/1 after 61 hands. I did not think he was very aggressive when I was playing him.

Is it safe to muck the hand earlier? I am pretty sure he has AT beat to 3-bet the flop, and I am drawing to 2 outs if that's the case (except JJ)
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
midas06
Old 09-25-2006, 04:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
midas06's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,196
midas06
cap pf, I play the same postflop
Reply With Quote
bigspenda73
Old 09-25-2006, 04:41 AM #3 (permalink)  
bigspenda73's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
bigspenda73 will become famous soon enoughbigspenda73 will become famous soon enough
 I cap PF as well, but if villain donks I definitely shut down, may even get away from the hand. If he has 99+ we are now beat. Only hand we beat is AK, and I dont see many players 3betting AK at these levels especially when UTG raises.
Reply With Quote
wufwugy
Old 09-25-2006, 06:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
wufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to all
 Pacific 2/4 is weird. dont cap the flop. these players are loose and weakly aggressive with strong hands on the flop. flop lines like donk/3bet, raise/cap are most often indicative of having one pair beat, and when they're not they're weak enough to fold the turn if they just call a reraise on the flop or just fire two more bullets on the later streets with worse hands if you show no more aggression.

at least i think so. doesn't seem that many players around here regularly play Pacific 2/4, and some of the specific advice isn't applicable. so i've been having to figure out some of the intricacies myself. but since i've been running so bad for most of the time ive been at Pacific 2/4 i cant say exactly how it is.

oh and if you sit at a table with wugwufy, be sure to play a bunch of crap to the river because then you'll most often just suck out and steal the pot. cuz that's how im running right now. although, right now im not playing a whole lot due to BR management. cant wait to drop another 600bb for a total of 1200bb down. that'll be fun.

what's your Pacific handle? dont wanna sit dont with a thinking player unless im forced due to selection.

btw, if your roll is less than 800bb i recommend dropping down to 1/2. unless you wanna entertain the good possibility of going busto due to high variance. 1/2's funner anyways. more bluffing LAGs.
Reply With Quote
wufwugy
Old 09-25-2006, 06:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
wufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to all
 looked over teh hand again, and i was kinda thinking you had the tptk instead of an overpair. im not sure how much that changes things, but i do remember the last time i had over JJ on a flop like that my opp just called me down after a 3bet with KK. and that's normal line for them. just seems that Pacific flop 3bet or cap most often has pocket aces or better.

btw, is Pacific allowing HUD now?

i hope not
Reply With Quote
bigspenda73
Old 09-25-2006, 08:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
bigspenda73's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
bigspenda73 will become famous soon enoughbigspenda73 will become famous soon enough
 I don't care what site you're playing on, in 6max JJ is a cap preflop. This flop tells you all you need to know, if villain can donk into a cap preflop you are 99 percent beat here. By not capping the flop you don't gain this info. if the flop was something like 2 5 8 then you maybe forced to call down. I just think this flop has you slaughtered whether it be a set or a bigger pp. The cap on the flop would have saved you more bets down the road. Unless he is a maniac I dont see him 3betting PF with AT.
Reply With Quote
LimpinAintEZ
Old 09-25-2006, 08:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
LimpinAintEZ's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
Posts: 591
LimpinAintEZ
agreed - Cap preflop - I have seen them push any 10 here like its the nuts and flush draws the same way - I would get as many bets in on all streets - especially if the guy is playing 64% of his hands and raising that much - I mean, i know it's 6max but for gods sake thats ridiculously maniac #'s if i've ever seen them -

You can also just try to call the hand down like you did here also, which can be perfect against maniacs...minimum damage if they have a great hand -

good play on your part -
this space intentionally left blank
 
Reply With Quote
wufwugy
Old 09-25-2006, 11:07 PM #8 (permalink)  
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
wufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I don't care what site you're playing on, in 6max JJ is a cap preflop.
what if the majority of the time your opposition has that beat when they 3bet this/any flop?
Reply With Quote
bigspenda73
Old 09-26-2006, 12:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
bigspenda73's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
bigspenda73 will become famous soon enoughbigspenda73 will become famous soon enough
 By capping the flop and getting donked into y0u know you are behind here. I don't think there is much more to say, I just call down the whole way unless Im up against a TAG, then Id probably lay down the turn.
Reply With Quote
wufwugy
Old 09-26-2006, 12:36 AM #10 (permalink)  
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
wufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to allwufwugy is a name known to all
 my experience is that when these players donk the turn when you capped the flop they're weaker more often than when they check the turn after you cap the flop. but i really dont know cuz i dont have any numbers on that. i think it takes a stronger read than that to lay it down to a donk.

but because i want to see showdown with this hand barring a scarier board or click tells, i call the 3bet and call down.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:53 AM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.