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littleogre
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06-16-2007, 01:42 AM
Post subject: Isn't this a little weak tight.
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I got the following scenerio out of a book. I don't remember the exact limit. Anyway we have AK on a flop of 999. First to act bets and the next 2 players call. Now it is our turn the book says to fold as someone likely has a 9. Isn't that just a little to tight. I mean the truth is it is doubtful that anyone has a 9. So long as nobody has that case 9 or pocket kings or queens we have 6 outs.
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sejje
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06-16-2007, 02:39 AM
Post subject: Re: Isn't this a little weak tight.
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Originally Posted by littleogre
So long as nobody has that case 9 or pocket kings or queens we have 6 outs.
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Not likely. Plus you're almost certainly drawing to a split even if you pair one of your cards.
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euphoricism
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People over play Ax in this situation, so youre probably drawing to half.
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littleogre
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so lets give ourselves 3 outs and go from there. We know the pot has 3 small bets in it from flop action. Honestly i do not remenber if the pot was raised pf in this example. To play it safe lets say it wasn't so we have atleast 4 small bets from the flop The first in plus the 2 limpers plus us. So thats 7 small bets. In essence giving us 7-1 on our call which is not enough for 3 outs. So maybe a call is not so good after all.
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bigspenda73
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Um we have the best hand here a ton and the nut redraw
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sejje
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Um we have the best hand here a ton and the nut redraw
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That's a much better point. Although I don't think we have six outs if we're behind, I agree we're ahead a LOT.
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bigspenda73
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we have exactly seven outs if we are behind
of course, if someone has a 9 we have no outs but if we are behind we have every out possible. I say we raise and make all of our outs clean. The raise could also be a value bet...
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KoRnholio
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Um we have the best hand here a ton and the nut redraw
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That's a much better point. Although I don't think we have six outs if we're behind, I agree we're ahead a LOT. |
With a bet and 2 calls, I don't think we're ahead very often here. It's very likely that someone has a small-mid pair. Still, folding for one bet on the flop is criminal, especially in position.
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littleogre
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personally i do not think i would ever fold for 1 bet. Even if you guesstimate that you only have 3 outs you must also think about the chance that you are already ahead. A/k is a monster when the flop shows a set. Now if someone starts 2 beting then maybe the decesion is a little more difficult but for 1 bet i am gona atleast see the turn
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