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Old 08-25-2005, 02:36 AM     Post subject: iopq's thread of doubtful plays #1 (permalink)  
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Here I'm going to post some hands from micro limit champs. I want some comments on how I should play some hands or if I played them correctly :O

HAND ONE, once I sit in I put 1 big blind up in MP3. Someone from EP raises, I have K4o

I fold. Is this correct? K4o is a junk hand, but I might have the correct odds, especially since a person in MP called already and I'm expecting more callers from the blinds. Although my chance of getting two pair or better is only what, 3%?


HAND TWO. In a few hands I limp from UTG+1 with 87s
I think this is too loose since UTG folded. Then the flop is 9Tx with two clubs (not my suit)
I bet, but probably a bad decision since I have bad position and a draw to the IDIOT end of the straight
three people call
I bet on the turn as a semi-bluff when the king comes
one person calls
I bet the river with nothing he raises me and I fold my eight high :/
Did I go wrong with my original pre-flop decision? The pot ended up four-handed which is what I DIDN'T want.


HAND THREE. I check my big blind with 98s with four people in and the flop gives me an open-end straight draw and a backdoor flush draw. I check with the intention of raising. Someone bets, someone raises, I make it three to go, the bettor calls, the raiser caps it, I call. The turn gives me the straight, yes! I bet, bettor folds, raiser raises, I three-bet, he calls. That card put a flush draw on there... drawing to MY flush. The river disappointingly gives me the flush, I bet, he calls and mucks. Did I play that correctly?

HAND FOUR. It's six-handed so I raise KTs UTG. All but the small blind folds. The flop is 67T with two of the same suit. SB checks, I bet, SB calls. The turn is the four to put three of the same suit (I don't have that suit).SB checks, I bet thinking that since I'm up against one guy he might not have the flush. He check-raises me! D'oh! I call and call down at the river thinking he might be trying to push me out. He has a set of fours :/

HAND FIVE. I have a pair of queens, raise preflop out of the SB. The flop comes 89A and two of the suit. I bet. Four people call. Turns comes a six makes it three of the suit, I bet, four people call. River comes five of another suit. I bet, four people call, one guy shows two pair. Was the danger of being beat by FOUR people too great to bet?

HAND SIX. I have a pair of nines. I check from the BB after SB folds. Seven people call. The flop is 977 two of one suit. I check because a bet would make everyone fold... it happens on this table so often that I like to bet into these flops when I DON'T have anything. So it gets checked around, a five comes makes two of two suits. I bet and everyone folds. I assume no one had a flush draw to stick around or everyone was afraid I had as good a hand I really did have. Check the turn and maybe let someone catch up? Or bet the flop and hope someone calls for a small bet?

HAND SEVEN. Pocket kings, raise PF in early position. Flop is very connected, T98 rainbow. I check to check-raise, unfortunately the next guy bets so everyone calls when it gets back to me. I raise anyway, for value. The turn is a blank, I bet everyone calls. The river is another ten. I bet, next guy after me RAISES. I figure he has three tens, but the pot is already 9BB (big bets) and I have an overpair, he might raise with second pair "knowing" that I can't have the ten everytime. I actually didn't think about it at that time, but I wasn't 90% sure he has the third ten. He could have had a smaller overpair (jacks or queens)
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1) Dump it.
2) Way too loose. You need a lot more people in front of you in an unraised pot to play this. Then youre drawing to the bad end, and no ones folding. Check/fold.
3) Pound those EVERY time. You'll win those more than 50% of the time.
4) Check raises on the turn mean TPTK is no good. And you're unlikely to run into a check raise bluff at your stakes.
5) With four people calling, someone always has atleast an ace. Hard to let go with queens, but four way with no one folding... thats a spot to do it.
6) Standard. It happens, it sucks, nothing you can do.
7) Youre beat. He bet the flop with top pair, and raised you when he hit trips. Calling down for one bet is probably correct.
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) Dump it.
2) Way too loose. You need a lot more people in front of you in an unraised pot to play this. Then youre drawing to the bad end, and no ones folding. Check/fold.
3) Pound those EVERY time. You'll win those more than 50% of the time.
4) Check raises on the turn mean TPTK is no good. And you're unlikely to run into a check raise bluff at your stakes.
5) With four people calling, someone always has atleast an ace. Hard to let go with queens, but four way with no one folding... thats a spot to do it.
6) Standard. It happens, it sucks, nothing you can do.
7) Youre beat. He bet the flop with top pair, and raised you when he hit trips. Calling down for one bet is probably correct.
Thanks for the comments. I'll post some more in the near future
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1) Dump it, what flop are you hoping for?
2) Needs to be a great game to do this. 6+ to just about every flop for a single bet.
3) I just call the flop.
4) Passive players love to check/raise the turn with the goods. I fold right there, it's just top pair.
5) Check the river and consider a fold based on the action.
6) Your logic on how to play this flop both sucks and is how about 80-90% of players will play it (something to think about.) Bet your hand.
7) Just lead the flop. Pot is small enough that you can consider a river fold in a passive game.
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The game is slightly laggy actually. Most players are bad, but overvalue their hands and raise and reraise top pair tens with queen kicker or bet a straight on a board with four to a flush. I agree that I should have led the flop on hand 6. It's just that after I bet SO many of these flops with nothing and everyone folded to me I thought it would happen again. I guess it's better than betting MORE on the turn into a tiny pot.
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hands 1-5: i have nothing insightful to add
hand 6: Bet the flop, someone's drawing to the flush, so let them draw cheap even though they're drawing dead. If you don't bet the flop, they won't get the odds to draw on the turn
hand 7: Raising EP then going for a check/raise on the flop is horrible. You'll miss more bets than you can possibly gain.
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Listen to them more than me. You can see the gaps in my game by the disparity between my advice and, say, fnords.
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hands 1-5: i have nothing insightful to add
hand 6: Bet the flop, someone's drawing to the flush, so let them draw cheap even though they're drawing dead. If you don't bet the flop, they won't get the odds to draw on the turn
hand 7: Raising EP then going for a check/raise on the flop is horrible. You'll miss more bets than you can possibly gain.
On hand 7 I was trying to protect against a straight draw by making someone with a straight draw face a double bet.
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Old 08-27-2005, 11:33 PM #9 (permalink)  
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OK, playing some 15c/30c limit on powerplayer

HAND EIGHT. I get AQo in mid position. I raise, four people call. The flop comes AT8 two of a suit. I have no backdoor flush draw. I was undecided on whether to bet or not when it got checked to me. Two people behind me, my choices were:
1. Bet
2. Check-raise
3. Bet on the turn when a non-flush card comes

I'm not sure anyone has a flush draw, though
I decide to go with 2/3
I'm not sure if betting is better here. If it is better, why?

Next card is a flush card! A jack. Someone to my right bets, I call. If he doesn't have the flush, I have a pair of aces and an inside straight draw.
The river, an offsuit nine, gives me a queen-high straight. The guy who bet on the turn bets again, I call, there's a raise behind me, I call. We split the pot with the raiser (queen high straight)
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If you raise preflop, and hit your hand, bet the flop.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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If you raise preflop, and hit your hand, bet the flop.
that's too general... I mean, there are certain situations where waiting for the turn for the bets to double is correct, but I'm not sure when that situation arises
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If there are 3 limpers and you raise with TT, and the flop comes 67 4
And the first limper bets, and the other 2 call,
THEN you can wait 'til the turn to raise.
If it is checked to you, you STILL bet the flop.
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If there are 3 limpers and you raise with T:heart:T:diamond:, and the flop comes 6:spade:7:club: 4:spade:
And the first limper bets, and the other 2 call,
THEN you can wait 'til the turn to raise.
If it is checked to you, you STILL bet the flop.
Oh, I see, I'll bet the flop when it's checked to me now, thanks.
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:59 AM #14 (permalink)  
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HAND NINE. I am in either UTG+2 or MP1 with AKo
I raise preflop, a bunch of people call.
the flop is Q9x
someone bets and I raise
two people call (including the bettor)
the turn is a blank
the caller bets
I fold... the pot was around 7BB
next card is an ace and the caller wins the pot with a pair of nines
should I have called the last bet? Was raising to eliminate people a good play on the flop?

HAND TEN. I am in the BB and about 4 people limped, one raised. I'm not sure who raised because I wasn't looking :/ but I have K4s so I have pretty good odds to call for one more bet to hope to catch a good hand. A regular PF raiser raises behind me, everyone calls.

The flop is... KT4 rainbow
SB checks
it's on me
I bet because I hit something and the pot is pretty big
one folds, everyone else calls
Now I think I have a good chance of having the best hand

the turn is a 5
Now SB bets on the turn, I call, one raises, one folds, everyone calls
the river is a 4
SB bets the river, I call, one folds

I win around 17BB pot with a pair of kings, no kicker
SB has a pair of tens
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