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Old 05-11-2005, 09:19 PM     Post subject: Intution hits again: Amazing gut instinct. #1 (permalink)  

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Get this. I have one of my psychic moments. I had one two days ago were i saw 67c and a voice in my head told me to raise. So i rased and flopped two pair.

Today, I immediately saw this hand and a voice went off that said, raise. No joke, i really get these weird intuitions sometimes. When I get them, about once or twice a week, i call down the the river. I win 75% of the time like this. Check out the result: (playing at gamesgrid so i cant use hand converter)

***** Hand History for Game 570312 *****
3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed May 11 16:56:13 EDT 2005
Table Card Room Table 133 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: HarmonicaMan ( $156)
Seat 2: Loki ( $103.50)
Seat 4: Temujin ( $30)
Seat 5: Sandman ( $127.50)
Seat 6: Wiesman02 ( $71)
Seat 7: DIRESTR8S ( $99)
Seat 8: oats77 ( $121.51)
Seat 9: Take Notes ( $103)
Loki posts small blind (1)
Temujin posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wiesman02 [ Tc, Js ]
Sandman folds.
Wiesman02 raises (6) to 6
DIRESTR8S folds.
oats77 folds.
Take Notes raises (9) to 9
HarmonicaMan calls (9)
Loki folds.
Temujin folds.
Wiesman02 calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qh, 7h, 9c ]
Wiesman02 checks.
Take Notes bets (3)
HarmonicaMan raises (6) to 6
Wiesman02 calls (6)
Take Notes raises (6) to 9
HarmonicaMan calls (3)
Wiesman02 calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5c ]
Wiesman02 checks.
Take Notes bets (6)
HarmonicaMan calls (6)
Wiesman02 calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
Wiesman02 bets (6)
Take Notes calls (6)
HarmonicaMan folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $85 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Qh 7h 9c 5c 8s ]
HarmonicaMan balance $132, lost $24 (folded)
Loki balance $102.50, lost $1 (folded)
Temujin balance $27, lost $3 (folded)
Sandman balance $127.50, didn't bet (folded)
Wiesman02 balance $126, bet $30, collected $85, net +$55 [ Tc Js ] [ a straight to the queen ]
DIRESTR8S balance $99, didn't bet (folded)
oats77 balance $121.51, didn't bet (folded)
Take Notes balance $73, lost $30


Take notes says: You're never going to win money by playing like that. My response: "But I just did ?"
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Old 05-11-2005, 09:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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This is why poker is so darn profitable.

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Old 05-11-2005, 10:28 PM #3 (permalink)  
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you call it intuition, i call it "making an excuse for raising with a dumb hand and chasing ur straight draw" ....

you say tomato i say tomato
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i mean....well played
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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you call it intuition, i call it "making an excuse for raising with a dumb hand and chasing ur straight draw" ....
I thought post-flop was fine.
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:20 AM     Post subject: Re: Intution hits again: Amazing gut instinct. #6 (permalink)  
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Take notes says: You're never going to win money by playing like that. My response: "But I just did ?"
That's a very fish thing to say after you win a hand.
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:40 AM #7 (permalink)  

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Everyone's got a little fish in them. I just brought the best of my fish game out there and had it pay off. Call me a fish, I dont care. It was a brilliant suck out.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:48 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Everyone's got a little fish in them. I just brought the best of my fish game out there and had it pay off. Call me a fish, I dont care. It was a brilliant suck out.
Thats where you are wrong, it wasnt a suck out. and where was your intuition at? The fact you raised preflop? Not only would I not raise this preflop, I wouldn't even call with it. Horrible play, I'm serious.

And, outphase is right, dont get cocky when you make a retarded play, you are only kidding yourself and not anyone else.

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Old 05-12-2005, 02:43 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I really don't know what's worst:
You doing it or actually trying to justify it with instinct!
It's your money anyway, so have fun :P
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otherwise the buddy list of some you will make.
True this is. Wisdom this one has.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:05 PM #11 (permalink)  
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you would be the richest man in the world if you could teach us how to predict all 5 board cards with an amazing gut instinct.
 
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i get those visions too ... i'll see AA and think ... hey cool, raise ... then someone behind me reraises me .. so i reraise them back, flop comes back Q79, i raise, and get reraised against, so i call down, only to see someone flip over JTo.


now im steaming or on tilt, but sklansky tells me your my profit. so i mutter "nice hand" to encourage you to keep playing that way... your only keeping my chips warm for me when i need them back.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:55 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Doesn't the title just scream pseudoscience/i have paranormal skillz

so every time you get that little voice you call down to the river, you'll go far
"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."

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Ha, i know you guys were gonna bash me. I dont care what you think. Somtimes I look at a hand and know it will make me money. Laugh all you want, call it a bad play. I dont care. You're all just jealous.
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:11 PM #15 (permalink)  

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Ha, i know you guys were gonna bash me. I dont care what you think. Somtimes I look at a hand and know it will make me money. Laugh all you want, call it a bad play. I dont care. You're all just jealous.
They're actually trying to help you.
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by all means, keep playing like that, im not the least bit jealous.. if your willing to ignore the winning players advice and criticism, then its your loss.
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:34 PM #17 (permalink)  
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How does that saying from Vegas go about losing gamblers? Something like they only remember the wins and never the loses? I bet for every time you've pulled this off you have 9 other "instincts" on bad cards like this where you have lost but chose to forget/disclose them.

I agree with everyone else this was a pretty poor play where you got lucky. Long run this is definately a huge -EV. Even as a "switch up" play I don't think I'd ever try it, especially given you were so out of position.
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How does that saying from Vegas go about losing gamblers? Something like they only remember the wins and never the loses? I bet for every time you've pulled this off you have 9 other "instincts" on bad cards like this where you have lost but chose to forget/disclose them.

I agree with everyone else this was a pretty poor play where you got lucky. Long run this is definately a huge -EV. Even as a "switch up" play I don't think I'd ever try it, especially given you were so out of position.
i guess i'm ass backwards, i remember all my losses, but the wins start to blur together.
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Ha, i know you guys were gonna bash me. I dont care what you think. Somtimes I look at a hand and know it will make me money. Laugh all you want, call it a bad play. I dont care. You're all just jealous.
Man, deja vu no?

I see visions of my early age in him. Its sad.


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Lol guys im just messing around. I'm a winning player and hold my own. I dont need advice or anything. 99% of teh time i fold J10 in that position at that table, but I really did feel lucky. NO need to tell me not to fish. I'm actually a very conversative preflop, aggresive post flop player. Nevermind this "strange play"
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:42 PM #21 (permalink)  
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well then that was a funny joke then. ha .. uhm ha...
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Next time, use the converter, otherwise the buddy list of some you will make.
There's no converter (yet). It's from GamesGrid. Raising that hand from EP in that game isn't so bad, though I don't do it. It will pick up the blinds about 1/3 of the time.

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The problem is that you have very little going for you if you're 3-bet.

If the game is that tight I'd rather make that play with a hand like 22. For the most part, I'd focus on raping the blinds.
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Old 05-12-2005, 10:08 PM #27 (permalink)  
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well, i realize it was a bad play. And if I lost that bet I would have been in deep sh$t.

On a side note not related to that hand: Its so hard to come back once your down like 4+BB's on that site since everyone's so tight. Sometimes you need to gamble with people's big hands b/c breaking them will win you a lot of money on that site. Not always obviously. But with a bunch of players raising preflop, since it doesnt happen to often, I like to go in the hand with crap every once in a while.

Remember. People play very tight on the site. They arent expecting my sh#t cards to drill them. With 2-3 players caping, I know they have high cards / AA / KK. With my low connecting garbage, once in a while it will come through. I've had my fair share of downswings on that site, but all in all, the strategy seems to be working quite well.
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JTo is not a horrible hand. Given A) you have a marginally playable hand and B) No one has yet entered the pot, I think that the raise here was also correct. (I think a fold is more correct, but if you play it, play it for a raise.) If you get 3 bet you are probably in trouble, but you know where you are at, and shouldn't lose too many bets with a hand like TPWK. Post flop this play was fine, so I don't understand where the flame war is coming from.
If you regularly just raise cause you have a feeling, I agree you will lose money, but if you rarely raise hands like JTo or 67s you will keep your opponents off guard and shouldn't lose too much to these marginally -EV plays. Good hand, good play!
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JTo or 67s
If you are looking to throw a mix-up-the-play raise in...go with the 67s. JTo will get dominated in a raised pot everytime.
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I don't understand where the flame war is coming from.
I'm with you. At a very tight table you can steal with this. And steals from EP are a little better hidden. If you're 3bet, life sucks. If you're not, it doesn't. Like e.g. you can flop good, as here.

I think people jumped on this guy 'cause he explained his move with mysticism, and we don't really cotton to that moonshine 'round these parts.
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I think people jumped on this guy 'cause he explained his move with mysticism, and we don't really cotton to that moonshine 'round these parts.
Bingo - Give that man a cigar.
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Everyone's got a little fish in them. I just brought the best of my fish game out there and had it pay off. Call me a fish, I dont care. It was a brilliant suck out.
Thats where you are wrong, it wasnt a suck out. and where was your intuition at? The fact you raised preflop? Not only would I not raise this preflop, I wouldn't even call with it. Horrible play, I'm serious.

And, outphase is right, dont get cocky when you make a retarded play, you are only kidding yourself and not anyone else.

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Help this newbie out. How do you use the converter?
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