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pokerfanatic

07-17-2005, 04:38 PM Post subject: intreasting KK hand

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reads:
UTG: TA-P
MP1: Rock

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Preflop: pkrfanatic is UTG+1 with K

, K

.
UTG raises, pkrfanatic 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 6 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 9

, J

, T

(3 players)
UTG checks, pkrfanatic bets, MP1 raises, UTG calls, pkrfanatic calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 9

(3 players)
UTG checks, pkrfanatic checks, MP1 bets, UTG calls, pkrfanatic calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 2

(3 players)
UTG checks, pkrfanatic checks, MP1 bets, UTG folds, pkrfanatic calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

1) What do you have these guys on PF and Flop

2) I think I could have laid it down on the turn unimproved your opinions on that

3) If you think I played it right please explain your reasoning why you think so...

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07-17-2005, 04:57 PM

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3-bet the flop to show strength, and to see where you're at. He might be sitting on AJ

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07-17-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by allLiving

3-bet the flop to show strength, and to see where you're at. He might be sitting on AJ

i don't see a rock cold calling 3-bet with a AJ...

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07-17-2005, 05:07 PM Post subject: Re: intreasting KK hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

1) What do you have these guys on PF and Flop

2) I think I could have laid it down on the turn unimproved your opinions on that

3) If you think I played it right please explain your reasoning why you think so...

reply to 1) Preflop they could have a pretty wide range of hands. I will say that I definately 3-bet this flop with an overpair and inside straight draw, especially since you hold 2 kings making QK quite a bit less probable and Q8 doesn't seem likely at all for these guys nor does 78.

reply to 2) There is no way I am laying this down on the turn and in fact am almost definately raising. You are still likely to be up against AJ, KJ, QJ, and now you even have JT beat. UTG is almost definately just on a Q for the straight draw at this point or maybe even 88 for the crappy end of the straight draw. Add the fact that now if the K comes to complete the straight, it gives you a boat and I like your hand a lot.

reply to 3) I think you played it too passively for my tastes. Even if MP1 is a rock, he's still going to raise a lot of hands that you have beat on that flop. Sure he might have flopped a set or have QK, but it's more likely you have him beat.

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07-17-2005, 05:08 PM

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sorry guys that HH is messed let me fix it...

i 3bet PF and the rock cold call 3...

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07-17-2005, 07:16 PM

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i agree with nehmer.

cold call 3 is usually AQ or better. You have AQ and AK beat. You dont have TT and JJ beat.

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07-17-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

cold call 3 is usually AQ or better. You have AQ and AK beat. You dont have TT and JJ beat.

He also could have QQ here. I like a turn c/r.

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07-17-2005, 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

i agree with nehmer.

cold call 3 is usually AQ or better. You have AQ and AK beat. You dont have TT and JJ beat.

so you 3 beting the flop even when the rock has cold called 3 and raised on the flop?

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07-17-2005, 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

i agree with nehmer.

cold call 3 is usually AQ or better. You have AQ and AK beat. You dont have TT and JJ beat.

So you are 3 betting the flop even when the rock has cold called 3 and raised on the flop?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

cold call 3 is usually AQ or better. You have AQ and AK beat. You dont have TT and JJ beat.

He also could have QQ here. I like a turn c/r.

Interesting play...

Well here was my thinking, PF when the rock cold called 3 I have him on AK, AA-JJ I didn't think he would cold call with anything less then say JJ MAYBE TT... this guy was boarder line rocky PF so I could probably expanded that to AQs, AK, AA-TT for sure... 19% VP$IP, 4% PFR, AF 0.89!!!

With that passive of a player post flop I had to think that a c/f on the turn would be the best play, 3 betting the flop seems like a good idea because it builds the pot on a draw I’m getting 15.5:1 immediately but assuming I raise and don’t get capped the pot gets to 18.5sb… on the turn I would be looking at 9.25bb instead if it was capped and UTG called and I called the pot would be 21.5sb so going to the turn would have been 10.25bb… I can see pot equity of raising the flop in a way but I can’t say I agree with a c/r or bet on the turn given I’m sitting on 2 clean outs and maybe 1 Q out since it’s not clean… so I’m looking at about 3 outs given I’m not drawing completely dead to quads… 14.3:1 shot even if the pot is capped on the flop I don’t have pot odds to call… implied odds might not make up the extra bets either… so my thinking is I played it like piss on the turn and should have c/f… the flop I think it was fine just calling mainly because I was getting good odds to take off one card… with UTG cold calling I can easily put him on at least an OESD… maybe top pair like JQs but I’m not sure if he would raise the UTG so AJs makes more since, If he had top pair… So that’s my thought IMO given reads and situations like this I think c/f is the best play turn, and 3betting the flop of calling is up in the air… Fnord please explain your thought for the c/r on the turn? Jeff Please answer my question in a thought out manner for future streets and such…

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07-17-2005, 11:06 PM

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A turn c/r will make him hard pressed to 3-bet a wide range.

Draws will call down with a paired board and 1 card to come.
A made flush might cower and just call down now that the board has paired (if he's weak/tight.)
A boat will probably 3-bet.

It does look like UTG is on something like Qx or AJ and will hang around for the ride, so you trap him in between.

If MP1 3-bets you have a decision. Calling and folding the river unimproved might be prudent. Or maybe just call it down if you think the information is worth the fraction of a big bet.

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