Originally Posted by Fnord

Not much value on a cap since you have only the flush + backdoor str8. No need to scare anyone off and let someone else drive allowing you to put in an extra bet when you hit.

Originally Posted by elanto

i dont think you could have lost that hand, nicely played and nice pot, if they did have the K high flush then they are a bucnh of wussies for not raising the river

Originally Posted by Fnord

Jeff, you're too LAggy. That's a good healthy phase everyone's game goes though, but it's showing through here...

Lets assume that enough strength has been shown here that we don't have a lot of folding equity by trying to take over the hand. Loose/Passive liked that flop and is pretty much always going to showdown. Even if he isn't LAggs show down all kinds of crap anyway.

2 callers isn't enough for get value on our non-nut flush + backdoor str8 + 2 unders equity. So the only arguments for capping it are for deception (against bad players) or to build a pot that is already pretty darn big. I'm not buying either.

So I'm left with really hating scaring Mr. Passive into check/calling me while I'm driving. Now, it didn't turn out that way because he probably hit really hard, but that's what I would expect given the action at that point. So let someone else drive, that way you lose the least when you miss and will pretty much always get in an extra bet when you hit.

One part of my game that has improved is not trying to push everyone around when I have pretty good equity but not much realistic expectation everyone folds on the river and instead just play my hand straight up for value.

Now if he had the A it would be a different story...

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I don't disaggree with what your saying. Two different style of play here both of which would have had the same outcome.

Originally Posted by mike4066

Flush over flush, these hands make me want to puke.
3rd time in 2 days... i took a similar line iwth each of them and wondered if I was possibly mis-playing them.