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Old 11-24-2004, 06:59 AM     Post subject: Im starting to think im a fish... #1 (permalink)  
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For the life of me i cannot win in online poker....i play home games all the time with friends and do quite well...the same people i beat regularly in live games are currently cashing out 100's in profit a week online. Yet i cant seem to have any success. I just busted out of Party playing friggin .5/1 after more than doubling my initial deposit. Anyways, i downloaded Poker Tracker a few days ago and have the stats for my last 500 hands small sample i know, but any help from you guys would be appreciated...

VP$IP: 20.43
WP$SB: 37.50
Won$WSF: 22.39
BB/100 Hands: (7.89)
Went to SD: 29.10
Won at SD: 38.46
PF Raise: 6.45
Agression Factor 1.01

The only thing that really stands out to me is that i think im dumping way too much money in from the small blind. I feel i understand the game too well to be losing money this quickly, but then again, that could be my first mistake. Anyways, id really appreciate any advice you have :P
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:22 AM #2 (permalink)  
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VP$IP looks a little high for full ring, you are probably playing too many hands up front.

Won @ SD is VERY low at 38%. This needs to be somewhere in the 50-60% range. You are calling a lot of second-best hands down to the river.

PFR: looks good.

Aggression factor: 1.01 - this is probably a tad low. Probably due to your calling weak hands on the river.

I think you could make a major improvement in your game simply by folding more: preflop and on all streets when you think you are beat. That would probably be the best first step you could make.

Post some hands.
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500 hands is a very small sample size. quad tablers do that in 2 hours.

anywho, preflop raise can go up. aggression needs to go WAY up.

are you including preflop in your aggression calculator? it should be over 2 if you exclude preflop.
 
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Old 11-24-2004, 02:15 PM     Post subject: Re: Im starting to think im a fish... #4 (permalink)  
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VP$IP: 20.43
WP$SB: 37.50
Won$WSF: 22.39
BB/100 Hands: (7.89)
Went to SD: 29.10
Won at SD: 38.46
PF Raise: 6.45
Agression Factor 1.01
VP$IP doesn't seem crazy, but such a short sample, you haven't seen enough cards to tell.

W2SD/W@SD are too too small to tell how your doing but based on how low the W@SD number is, you should fold more.

2 things I'd start working on, I'll try to keep them vague and general.

#1 Make sure your playing good starting hands IN position. Find a chart and go with it. I like the "tight chart" from small stakes holdem.

#2 Learn to fold.. Until your more comfortable with your game don't take anything weaker than TP(good kicker) to show down. If you flop 2nd pair just fold it early. But if you run into alot of action on the turn holding only TP you can probably fold out as your most likely behind in the hand.

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Your probably calling raises, there is a column in poker tracker that says "CCPFR" What does yours say for a total number?
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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To put things in perspective:

I've ran both +75BB and -50BB in a span of 100 hands more than once...
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Old 11-26-2004, 01:20 AM     Post subject: Re: Im starting to think im a fish... #6 (permalink)  
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Your probably calling raises, there is a column in poker tracker that says "CCPFR" What does yours say for a total number?
0.86


Thanks again for the input guys. As far as playing too many hands, i tend to play as tight as possible, but after sometimes folding 3 orbits straight i tend to get itchy to play a hand. I guess ill have to become more diciplined in that area. I also noticed from pokertracker that i play Ax ALOT more than i thought i did. I think i definitley have to cut that out of my game.
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Old 11-26-2004, 01:31 AM     Post subject: Re: Im starting to think im a fish... #7 (permalink)  
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#1 Make sure your playing good starting hands IN position. Find a chart and go with it. I like the "tight chart" from small stakes holdem.
Is this chart available online anywhere? If not, I may have to run out and get the book. That chart seems like it would be an invaluable tool for casino play.

Is it much different than the lowlimitholdem.com chart?
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:19 AM #8 (permalink)  
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the VIP is to tight for the level you are playing at, because that limit is soo loose you can limp in with a lot of drawing hands small PPs, Axs and Suited connectors etc.

also because so many people see the flop don't forget to ram and jam on the flop when you have a good draw, you might lose 2/3s of the time but that 1/3 of the time you're getting lots of extra bets.
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:31 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Is it much different than the lowlimitholdem.com chart?
Some neat plays I see on that chart:

LP : Qxs, 75o, 86o, 97o, T8o,

MP: 78s

EP: T9s

I would be careful with that chart. Looks like you are headed to a 40% VP$IP if you use it.
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:35 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I agree with that some of the hands there are down right trash and break even at best.

If the game is loose call with more hands that can make a big hand if its normal stick to your currernt game plan.

you can play right and lose, play wrong and win, I'd guess that you are just running into the wrong side of variance.
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Old 12-10-2004, 01:24 PM     Post subject: Re: Im starting to think im a fish... #11 (permalink)  
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Is it much different than the lowlimitholdem.com chart?
The chart, IMO, is too loose. A good player could use that chart, but if they're a good player I doubt they'd need a chart in the first place. A beginning player could get trapped with lots of those hands (Qxs, 75o, etc), especially at a TAGgy table.
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Old 12-10-2004, 04:00 PM     Post subject: Re: Im starting to think im a fish... #12 (permalink)  
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Is it much different than the lowlimitholdem.com chart?
The chart, IMO, is too loose. A good player could use that chart, but if they're a good player I doubt they'd need a chart in the first place. A beginning player could get trapped with lots of those hands (Qxs, 75o, etc), especially at a TAGgy table.
NB: the chart is clearly indicated for use only at loose passive tables. If you can't find such a table, it goes out the window.

That said, I had decent results with that chart when I first started -- back in my know-nothing limit days. It is designed to let you see a lot of flops. A lot. So you need to be very able to fold on later rounds.

To win more showdowns, keep this rule of thumb in mind:
Can I raise in good conscience? No? Then a call is not called-for. Especially if the pot is small.

A diet version of this rule should be applied to the turn, when bets double. If opp(s) evidently wants to jam the pot, and you're not excited about that, let it go.
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