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littleogre
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11-06-2007, 08:35 AM
Post subject: I'm gonna datmine ftp
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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To find out who the best players are at 25c/50c limit full table. Right now i only have more then 1000 hands on 3 diff players which is surprising since i play all the time. If we don't include myself then we only have 2 players.
1st mylerod 1.30 bb/hand
2nd dannyclay 1.05 bb/hand
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BennyLaRue
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Full House
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*whistle*
Penalty. Sharing player info. 2 minutes in the box.
This kind of thing is frowned upon by most rooms.
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Jibalob
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Flush
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I would stop datamining FT right away.
They seem to be freezing alot of accounts and confiscating funds right now going by the threads on 2+2
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Thanks for the warning guys.
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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i'll still post my findings from participated hands
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bode
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Straight Flush
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im pretty sure FTP allows data mining.
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arborman
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Flush
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Originally Posted by littleogre
i'll still post my findings from participated hands
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Please don't - I know I'd be sorely pissed if I found my stats posted on the web for anyone to read. Use the stats you have to make decisions in game, but don't share them around.
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
I would stop datamining FT right away.
They seem to be freezing alot of accounts and confiscating funds right now going by the threads on 2+2
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prove it, i datamine the place all the time, i could see them locking up accounts that use scripts to automatically do it... and interact with there software like a bot...
i personally just do it for about 30-45min before i play each session, this way i have a read on the people I'm playing with before i sit...
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Also people have been known to sell their database to other players... so my guess is that posting peoples stats for free is a bit silly, only time you really can get away with it is if you didn't give out their actual poker screen name on any site... like posting your stats and asking advice is one thing but posting a random players stats is not very kosher i don't think... id it's though a PM or something then that's not exactly public information is it?
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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Jibalob
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Flush
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Just saying be careful with FTP at the moment - they seem to be on a mission right now to stop any "unfair advantages".
ie, I wouldnt leave 9 tables running overnight collecting data all week long.
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by arborman
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Originally Posted by littleogre
i'll still post my findings from participated hands
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Please don't - I know I'd be sorely pissed if I found my stats posted on the web for anyone to read. Use the stats you have to make decisions in game, but don't share them around. |
who said anythingabout posting stats? Just gonna post the biggest winners. I got the idea from a dude at another forum. Me mined stars for like 3 months non stop and got a few hundred K hands on several players an\ -0000000000000000
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
Just saying be careful with FTP at the moment - they seem to be on a mission right now to stop any "unfair advantages".
ie, I wouldnt leave 9 tables running overnight collecting data all week long. |
i was looking for a link of someone that got there account closed and money taken you said there were posts on 2p2 link them lol we wont be mad if you make a good reference to another board not a big deal...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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if anybody wants to know the biggest loosers just pm me. I don't wanna embarrass anybody.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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1st mylerod 1.30 bb/hand
2nd dannyclay 1.05 bb/hand
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Shit 1bb/hand? Thats like 100bb/100 
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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sorry i meant per 100 hands.
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Jibalob
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Flush
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
i was looking for a link of someone that got there account closed and money taken you said there were posts on 2p2 link them lol we wont be mad if you make a good reference to another board not a big deal...
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There's a fair few threads in here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...at=&Board=inet
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
i was looking for a link of someone that got there account closed and money taken you said there were posts on 2p2 link them lol we wont be mad if you make a good reference to another board not a big deal...
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There's a fair few threads in here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...at=&Board=inet |
i scanned all 7 pages (i have it set to display 50 a page) and found nothing of the nature... ohh well, just never heard of it before so i was really wanting to see a good reference to the post you were talking about...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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Jibalob
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Flush
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Are you kidding me?
I was scanning through the other day and there was atleast 3 threads where people had their accounts frozen for weeks without any explanation.
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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updated standings
1 uga-4life 1.88bb/100
2dannycaly 1.31bb/100
3Grossmeise -.40/100
4mylerod -2.99bb/100
herrbert74 -3.95bb/100
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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lol who are those people in the negative? They cant be regs, or theyd be uh broke..
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
Are you kidding me?
I was scanning through the other day and there was at least 3 threads where people had their accounts frozen for weeks without any explanation.
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then you wont have any problem finding them again and linking them directly 
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
lol who are those people in the negative? They cant be regs, or theyd be uh broke..
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it can't be a very large sample size... my guess is probably 2.5k hands or less...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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Jibalob
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
Are you kidding me?
I was scanning through the other day and there was at least 3 threads where people had their accounts frozen for weeks without any explanation.
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then you wont have any problem finding them again and linking them directly |
Looking through again there's nothing in relation to people have their accounts frozen directly due to datamining but if you look in the thread "FTP froze my account with 47k" or something like that there are links to other similar threads within it (forgive me for not trawling through the typical 2+2 60+ page of arguments to find them)
Bottom line is that FT are freezing alot of accounts and confiscating funds with little or no explanation other than "suspisios activity"
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
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knowing how some 2p2 players are it could be likely that they obsessively data mined the site using autohot keys scripts to do so (they are out there trust me), aggressively interacting with the software 24/7 at what seems to be a completely random pace can be interpreted as a bot program that plays for that account... OR they are actually using a bot to play in which case they completely had it coming to them...
FTP will save observed hand histories to your computer, the only difference is that you can't see the all the players hole cards that went to SD unless they show without having to be forced to win the hand... so in reality the stats might not be completely accurate by just watching tables, but it will give you a general idea as to what people probably play...
on a side note... kinda as a funny remark about my last couple sessions:
i played some 0.25/0.5 FR today on FT and got my ass handed to me lol... I'm likely to pop up in little "biggest losers list" haha... over 985 hands i ran -1.69bb/100, so that's kinda why i was saying that the samples were probably small for what he had already listed...
however over all my hands at this level and FR, I'm running +0.36bb/100 over 8512 hands which completely sucks but i don't exactly play FR all the time i play 6m a lot more... only time i really play FR is clearing bonuses or just no 6m games are worth playing and the donks are sitting FR...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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update minimum 3k hands
1none08 2.46bb/100
2 uga-4life 2.36/100
3mylerod .76/100
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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i will go out on a limb and say that in this quest to find the king of 25c/50c none08 will be dethroned his numbers can not possible win over the long haul.
VP$IP =8.08%
agr factor=1.62
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mk84
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nice
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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update
1 shelyshel 1.25/100
2mylerod .30/100
nmu-wcats-1.14/100
herrbert74-1.46/100
freshfish31 -2.38/100
I have atleast 3500 on all of the above players
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Jibalob
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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Seriously - why are you doing this?
If everyone on FTR posted the biggest winners and biggest losers at theier site/stakes there would be no fish left after a while.
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Because i feel like it simple as that. I see threads like this all the time at other sites. There was a thread at nwp and 2+2 a few weeks back where some dude mined a major sites 3/6 nl 6 max for several months str8 and had several 100k hands on all the players and posted top 50 best players
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Jibalob
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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OK.
I just think its a seriously lame thing to do, but if 2+2 do it then it must be the best way to gain forum-cred
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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i don't really care about forum credi it just interest me. Also your points about fish quiting because i post there winrate is invalid. Do you really think a bad player is gonna see his name listed in this thread and go hey i didn't know i was a big donkey and quit playing. also i have not even posted the worst players. Excluding myself i have only found 2 people witha sample size of 3500+ that are actually in the black. I'm now there are other wining players at 25c/50c but i don't datamine 24/7 to be honest 99 percent of these hands are with me playing at the table or atleast being on the waiting list. Also it's not like i'm giving out any trade secrets. I mean posting someone win or loss rate is clearly less intrusive then posting there vp%ip and taf. Also like i believe i've already said i ain't even posting the worst players .
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Jibalob
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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Just ignore me, I'm having one of those days.
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PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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update
all players are mined for atleast 5k hands
1 shelyshel 1bb/100
2 mylerod -.15bb/100
3freshfish31 -1.56bb/100
herbert74 -1.86bb/100
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Seasider
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Wow you must have great table selection.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
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this seems actually worse than pointless
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