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homerdash

11-08-2006, 06:52 AM Post subject: I want to learn PLO8... where do I start?

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Pot limit Omaha 8 or better. I know having a draw to the nuts both ways is the best. That's about it. Is there a "standard" book for it? For those who play it, how did you learn it?

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TLR

11-08-2006, 07:14 AM

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I mainly learned from losing money in this game...

First thing I would do is learn the point count system, check the stickies in the forum. I dont think the point system accuretly reflects the way you should play, but it is a very good starting hand selection tool.

The only Omaha 8 book I read was Ray Zee's Omaha hi-lo split for advanced players, its not a bad book but it assumes you have some knowledge and experience in this game.

Few general points to get you started
1. You want to play hands that can scoop the pot, so as starting hands you want to play hands that have strong low potential and options for high
2. Quartering is very common, especially for low, so if you hold the nut low in a multiway pot, take into account that you may well be quartered or worse. However when it is heads up and you have the nut low + some sort of a high hand, even it is is TPTK you may get 3/4 of the pot
3. You want low protection for low, A24K is much better hand then A2TK, because on a flop of 378 you have the nut low, but with A2TK any 2 kills your hand
4. Drawing to less then the nuts makes no sense in this game - the only cases I draw to less then the nuts is when the pot is short handed and I have a K high flush draw.
5. Redraws on the high hand is critical, especially in mutliway pots.
6. Avoid hands with mid cards, T987 is a playable hand in Omaha hi, it is pretty much crap in Omaha hi-lo
7. Two pair is usually crap if you have nothing going in this hand
8. Set is usually a drawing hand in a multiway pot, you want options to improve besides the set, especially if it is not the top set.
9. Most strarting hands run fairly close in value, and in the low level isolating players is hard, your hand is pretty much defined on the flop in this game. In low level PLO8 I think the only way to isolate is reraising pot size after someone raises.
10. Position, Position, Position.
11. AAxx is not as good as it seems, you want something else going in the hand other then the pair of A's.
12. High only hands - you want them to be very strong,, usually all 4 cards should be A-T and you want either two pairs, One pair and at least one suit, or two double suited A/K high. With those hands you want to thin the field as much as you can preflop

Good luck

ihategnomes

11-08-2006, 02:21 PM

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Almost all current O8 literature is for limit poker. FWIW.

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homerdash

11-09-2006, 04:55 AM

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Thanks for that list of tips TLR, and I'm a donk for not checking the sticky before posting. Your tips have probably saved me from making some dumb mistakes today.

Well, I started playing today at .01/.02 on Stars, 3 tabled for awhile, got about 700 hands in. I'm up $5 so far. This game is pretty fun, although I donked with the nut low a couple times without thinking about it. I also had a Holdem moment with the Ace of a monotone board... but so far so good, different skill set than NLHE and I'm enjoying it so far.

I'm going to start camping at 25pl on Bodog soon... we'll see how that goes.

TLR

11-09-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by homerdash

Good luck, its great that you are making some profit this early, keep us updated on how it is going

Pelion

11-09-2006, 10:50 AM

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7. Two pair is usually crap if you have nothing going in this hand

Strength-wise top 2 pair is about the same as TPTK in holdem IMO. Bottom sets arent much better.

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TLR

11-09-2006, 11:13 AM

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7. Two pair is usually crap if you have nothing going in this hand

Strength-wise top 2 pair is about the same as TPTK in holdem IMO. Bottom sets arent much better.

I find it very hard to compare situations betwen holdem and O8.
The problem with two pair, even top two pair with nothing else going is that you have very little room to improve and usually opponents have draws to beat you, so two pair usually dont hold as the strongest hand by the river.
In addition once a low hits the board and the low hand bets the pot you are faced with a very tough decision

Pelion

11-09-2006, 11:34 AM

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yea my post basically ment dont get married to these hands.

Overplaying sets (that arent top set) is probably the biggest leak in low stakes omaha. Its even more of a leak in hi/lo if you dont have a good low.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

TLR

11-09-2006, 11:38 AM

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Yep, thats pretty much what item 8 on my list said.
Sets, even bottom sets are much better then two pair, because they have lots of outs to improve to a boat that will beat str8 and flushes (7 outs on the turn and 10 on the river). The problem is that you may be dominated by a better set, so you want to play bottom and mid set very carefully

bantam222

11-26-2006, 12:01 AM

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haha today i was running bad at hold'em so went to play some $.02/.05 PLO H/L rather then qutting for the day. I felt like a dumbass staring at the cards for 10-15sec beofore i bet each time and i didn't really have any idea for what i was doing but i caught a nice run of cards and pretty much only put a lot of money into the put with the nuts and won $20 in 50 hands w0000! 800BB/100 hand SHIPIT

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