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littleogre

11-13-2007, 07:34 PM Post subject: I use a little preflop deception and my opponent gets pissed

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littleogre has a little shameless behaviour in the past

FullTiltPoker Game #4163936507: Table Reno - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 15:22:02 ET - 2007/11/13
Seat 1: DocWriter ($11.20)
Seat 2: jscottf ($11)
Seat 3: PagalitoBar ($25.55)
Seat 4: BertGordon23 ($23.25)
Seat 5: parr1 ($9.25)
Seat 6: madklen ($9.75)
Seat 7: NashT ($30.65)
Seat 8: littleogre ($7.35)
Seat 9: imanoyed ($53.95)
parr1 posts the small blind of $0.10
madklen has 5 seconds left to act
madklen posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to littleogre [Ks Ac]
NashT folds
NashT is sitting out
littleogre raises to $0.50
imanoyed raises to $0.75
DocWriter folds
jscottf folds
jscottf stands up
PagalitoBar has 15 seconds left to act
Acehoff adds $20
PagalitoBar folds
BertGordon23 folds
parr1 folds
madklen folds
littleogre calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [9s 7d Ah]
littleogre checks
imanoyed bets $0.25
littleogre raises to $0.50
imanoyed calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [9s 7d Ah] [9h]
littleogre bets $0.50
imanoyed calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [9s 7d Ah 9h] [3c]
littleogre bets $0.50
imanoyed calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
littleogre shows [Ks Ac] two pair, Aces and Nines
imanoyed shows [Kd Kc] two pair, Kings and Nines
littleogre wins the pot ($4.65) with two pair, Aces and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.85 | Rake $0.20
Board: [9s 7d Ah 9h 3c]
Seat 1: DocWriter didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: jscottf didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: PagalitoBar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: BertGordon23 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: parr1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: madklen (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: NashT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: littleogre showed [Ks Ac] and won ($4.65) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 9: imanoyed showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Nines

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KoRnholio

11-13-2007, 07:43 PM

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Standard. When he 3bets your early preflop raise from PF himself he will often have TT+/AQ+ here as well as position on you. I only cap AK in spots like that against loosey goosey raisors.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

littleogre

11-13-2007, 07:52 PM

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actually that was part of my thought process. It was guaranteed to be hu and i thought caping would just be bloating the pot plus if i hit my hand i can c-r the pf aggressor also by just calling it makes it hard for hands like a/q to put me on a/k

BennyLaRue

11-13-2007, 08:01 PM

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Where's the preflop deception? If you mean not capping, that's pretty standard. I'll only cap AKs with one opponent.

littleogre

11-13-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Where's the preflop deception? If you mean not capping, that's pretty standard. I'll only cap AKs with one opponent.

Actually most people at micro stakes over value a/k off and will usually cap it.

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11-13-2007, 10:33 PM

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Where's the preflop deception? If you mean not capping, that's pretty standard. I'll only cap AKs with one opponent.

Actually most people at micro stakes over value a/k off and will usually cap it.

But do good players at microstakes? No. The cap is less ev than calling the 3-bet so many solid players wouldn't be doing it. I don't see it as deception then, merely a poor player being mes-mo-rized by solid play.

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11-13-2007, 10:38 PM

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Don't be a jackass, benny.

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11-14-2007, 10:47 AM

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Don't be a jackass, benny.

What? This isn't jackassery. I'm trying to help a guy understand that it's solid play, not deception.

Hermann the Lombard

11-14-2007, 03:48 PM

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Besides, it's probably to your advantage if your opponent gets pissed and goes on tilt...unless you're at the same B&M table and he's armed.

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11-14-2007, 09:20 PM

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Villian calling down after the flop c/r is so -EV.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

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11-15-2007, 01:27 AM

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Why did you post this hand?

littleogre

11-15-2007, 05:35 AM

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So you guys could tell me what i did that my oppponent thought was so rude. Also if you have better money makeing lines thats fine to.

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11-15-2007, 05:41 AM

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I really don't think there was any PF deception here.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

littleogre

11-15-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I really don't think there was any PF deception here.

I have already explained that at micro stakes my play could be thought of as deceptive as most people cap a/k off. They give it as muck credit as a big pair.

DrivingDog

11-15-2007, 09:17 AM

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Rude? lol, who are you playing, a bunch of grannies? I guess if you're worried about being popular at your table you could explain to granny why you thought a preflop cap wasn't +EV, but i doubt she would get it.

The checkraise was a bit impudent as well, L.O. I think you should apologise to granny for that too.

Seriously, this is poker. Deception is part of the game. Rude is getting upset with someone who played a hand well against you.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Hermann the Lombard

11-15-2007, 04:26 PM

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Next time limp-reraise to *really* piss 'him off, slowplay the flop, c/r the turn...and taunt him in chat. OK, omit that last as it really IS rude. Then play absolute ABC poker while he jumps at shadows in his paranoia.

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