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salsa4ever

03-23-2007, 02:38 AM Post subject: I think I'm a big OMAHA PL fish - need your help!

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Location: Melbourne

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Dear friends...

I'm starting to think my grasp of Omaha is very rudimentary indeed and I'm just getting lucky...

so, I need some help.

1) what are some good online (or not) resources? I know it's been asked before, but what i can find in searches is rather piecemeal. I've read most of the links on 08poker.com, where can i go now?

Otherwise I'm just going to post hands and expose the fact I'm a super fish... like this one

***** Hand History for Game 5797205368 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, March 22, 22:12:42 ET 2007
Table Table 126512 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: dakdak5 ( $ 300.38 USD )
Seat 8: AsTaveMyliu ( $ 305.89 USD )
Seat 9: comingfrombehind ( $ 671.68 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $ 437.40 USD )
Seat 3: jogi3 ( $ 127 USD )
Seat 6: hhorbach ( $ 0 USD )
Seat 10: sweetdjam ( $ 192 USD )
Seat 1: LVISCH ( $ 161.95 USD )
Seat 7: sixteens ( $ 155.75 USD )
Seat 2: Algend ( $ 38 USD )
sweetdjam posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
LVISCH posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9h Ah 6d 7c ]
Algend calls [$ 2 USD]
jogi3 calls [$ 2 USD]
dakdak5 folds
HERO calls [$ 2 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
sixteens raises [$ 13 USD]
AsTaveMyliu folds
comingfrombehind folds
sweetdjam folds
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
LVISCH folds
Algend calls [$ 11 USD]
jogi3 calls [$ 11 USD]
HERO calls [$ 11 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Qc, 5s ]
Algend checks
jogi3 bets [$ 52.25 USD]

jogi3 bought in for a half stack and has been playing conservatively. Algend is a total dumbass, and sixteens is raising a lot of hands pre flop... including uncoordinated AAxx and KKxx and has no sense of position.

2) What's your move here?

3) Any difference if the two other players have already folded?

NEXT HAND

#Game No : 5797189400
***** Hand History for Game 5797189400 *****
$ 400 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, March 22, 22:03:11 ET 2007
Table Table 126660 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: i_fall_hard ( $ 601.19 USD )
Seat 3: bfdm2 ( $ 110.50 USD )
Seat 5: coldhands175 ( $ 300.44 USD )
Seat 8: ABI1502 ( $ 204.62 USD )
Seat 9: jogi3 ( $ 77.98 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $ 826.58 USD )
Seat 6: ISplashFunds ( $ 400 USD )
>You have options at Table 126512 (No DP) Table!.
HERO posts small blind [$ 2 USD].
bfdm2 posts big blind [$ 4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9s Qh Jc 9h ]
coldhands175 raises [$ 12 USD]
ABI1502 folds
jogi3 folds
i_fall_hard folds
HERO calls [$ 10 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
bfdm2 raises [$ 44 USD]
>You have options at Table 126512 (No DP) Table!.
coldhands175 calls [$ 36 USD]
HERO calls [$ 36 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Js, 4s ]
HERO checks
bfdm2 is all-In [$ 62.50 USD]
coldhands175 folds
>You have options at Table 126512 (No DP) Table!.

4) Call the pre flop reraise?

5) What's your thought process here? Pot's offering odds that I need 31% equity to call. How do I put villain on a range, determine my probable equity against that range and do it before timing out? Or should I know by intuition?

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Monty9

03-23-2007, 05:44 PM

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Location: new jwesey

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I don't like either hand...but I'm a PLO noob too.

First hand I fold preflop.

2nd hand your drawing only to a straight with a flushy board

I tend to look more at my hands strengths rather than opps ranges.

In second hand even if you make your str8 you could be beat. and its a long way to get to a full house.

Why is it a penny for your thoughts but
you have to put your 2 cents in??

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KoRnholio

03-23-2007, 08:49 PM Post subject: Re: I think I'm a big OMAHA PL fish - need your help!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

1) what are some good online (or not) resources? I know it's been asked before, but what i can find in searches is rather piecemeal. I've read most of the links on 08poker.com, where can i go now?

Definitely get Bob Ciaffone's Omaha Poker - The Action Game. Only 124 pages but worth every penny.

Quote:

Dealt to HERO [ 9h Ah 6d 7c ]

Quite a nice hand, for sure worth calling a small raise since your ace is suited and cards are fairly connected. It is quite possibly to flop either the nuts, top 2 pair or a straight and/or flush draw.

[/quote]** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Qc, 5s ]
Algend checks
jogi3 bets [$ 52.25 USD]

jogi3 bought in for a half stack and has been playing conservatively.[/quote]

This is not a good flop for us at all. We have just 7 nut outs with the possibility of a flush redraw against us. In general, it is very bad to draw to a straight on a 2 flush board unless you also have a flush draw (since it gives you both the added 2 straight outs and possible flush outs).

And now a conservative player just made a pot bet into the preflop raisor,I drop this hand instantly. The only time I'd really continue on with this hand would be heads up and in position against the preflop raisor's continuation bet.

Quote:

Dealt to HERO [ 9s Qh Jc 9h ]
coldhands175 raises [$ 12 USD]
ABI1502 folds
jogi3 folds
i_fall_hard folds
HERO calls [$ 10 USD]
>You have options at Table 125419 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127011 (No DP) Table!.
bfdm2 raises [$ 44 USD]
>You have options at Table 126512 (No DP) Table!.
coldhands175 calls [$ 36 USD]
HERO calls [$ 36 USD]

Calling UTG's raise out of position is a little loose, but I'd probably call as well. Although calling with position is much more desirable. When the BB 3-bets it and UTG calls we are getting pretty good odds, but will need to hit the flop hard. Now being in the SB isn't so bad, since we can check and see what both raisors want to do before we decide to play on the flop or not.

Quote:

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Js, 4s ]
HERO checks
bfdm2 is all-In [$ 62.50 USD]
coldhands175 folds

5) What's your thought process here? Pot's offering odds that I need 31% equity to call. How do I put villain on a range, determine my probable equity against that range and do it before timing out? Or should I know by intuition?

Monotone boards are quite hard to play in Omaha. If this flop had just been 2 spades, then we'd for sure throw it in and gamble for 2 pair/gutshot draw against his likely AAxx. Even so, he probably doesn't have a flush, but if he has a set or flush we are drawing nearly dead.

On the plus side, the pot is now about $190 ($132 preflop, plus his $62) and $62.50 for us to call. About 3:1 odds means we only need 25% equity to call. At those odds I probably call and hope he just has one pair of aces.

What I would recommend though is stepping down limits if you are just learning. 50 or 100 PLO isn't a cakewalk, but players are much more straight forward so you will be able to learn to read hands much better than against the more aggressive higher limit players. Just a suggestion.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

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