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JJDylan
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03-01-2005, 06:11 PM
Post subject: I think this is how you draw it up...
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Nothing too exciting about this hand, i just like it because (i think) this is a textbook example of whats supposed to happen with this play..
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: (5.50 SB) 4, A , Q (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Turn: (6.75 BB) 6 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.
River: (6.75 BB) K (4 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.
Final Pot: 13.75 BB
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ChezJ
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you don't bet the turn getting at least 7.75:1 on your 12-outer?
ChezJ
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4-of-a-Kind
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easy bet on the turn.
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JJDylan
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really bet the turn? every time i do this its with the thought that if i dont hit on the turn, ill hopefully get a free card to hit my draw on the river...
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
really bet the turn? every time i do this its with the thought that if i dont hit on the turn, ill hopefully get a free card to hit my draw on the river...
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Plenty of cards you can hit here, you're getting like 7-1 or something like that, so I'd bet it easy.
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JJDylan
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hmmm, i guess i gotta start getting better at calculating my odds
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ChezJ
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my friend, whenever you have such a strong draw, 9 outs to the flush + 3 to the straight, you only need 3:1 odds to continue. if you have at least 1 opponent and at least 2 bets in the pot -- which is ALWAYS -- then you have correct odds to bet. so you don't have to do any calculations, just jam it.
if you only had the flush draw, the free card play might be more sensible, but you still have so many opponents that your odds will probably be correct.
ChezJ
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JJDylan
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
my friend, whenever you have such a strong draw, 9 outs to the flush + 3 to the straight, you only need 3:1 odds to continue. if you have only 1 opponent and at least 2 bets in the pot -- which is ALWAYS -- then you have correct odds to bet. so you don't have to do any calculations, just jam it.
ChezJ
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yeah, ive been working on trying to be more agressive with my draws, but theres still part fo me thats timid and wants to hold back....its a work in progress i suppose
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ChezJ
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the theory is that you will miss most of your draws but when you hit, you will recover all those losses and then some. so you get more variance, which is what you seem to be afraid of, but you also get a lot more reward in the long run.
you can't argue with the math.
also, by being more aggressive with your draws, you will make more money from folding down opponents without even completing your draw. and you will get paid more when you hit because they won't put you on it. suddenly waking up when a third heart hits is a surefire way to not get called.
ChezJ
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Fnord
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I think he played it fine. The only compelling reason I see to bet that turn is because you think your opponents might all fold. Given that board...
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