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Old 04-02-2005, 01:46 AM     Post subject: I take it back -THIS is the worst slowplay #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, J.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7, 6, 7 (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, CO calls, Button folds, Hero folds.

River: (7 BB) K (2 players)
MP bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
MP has Ac As (two pair, aces and sevens).
CO has 9s Ah (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Outcome: MP wins 9 BB.
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Old 04-02-2005, 06:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I’m not sure exactly what you are considering a slow play MP bet it like he should, IMO and not like he was getting raised so he might have thought he had the best hand, the guy with A9o looks like a calling station... I’m not seeing a slow play in this hand really unless CO had a 6 or 7, which in this case he didn't...
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Old 04-02-2005, 07:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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not raising preflop is I'm pretty sure what he means.
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Old 04-02-2005, 07:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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not raising preflop is I'm pretty sure what he means.
Yup, that's what I meant. Especially with the resulting board, and especially since he was unable to raise post-flop to push anyone off draws or gain extra bets for his AA.

Really, it's suprising the AA held up.
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Old 04-02-2005, 08:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Ohh ok didn't see he didn't re=se preflop that's just stupidity, especially if you at a table you know is loose, if you are playing tough opponents then the play MIGHT work out ok…
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:40 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I love players who over-call with Aces. Particularly in No-Limit games. Can you say "pay-off bitch" boys and girls? Sure, I knew you could.
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Old 04-04-2005, 02:45 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I would want to know if the table had been very tight and/or very aggressive up to that point. In a tight 6-handed game, I would think you need to make this limp sometimes to make some money and mix it up.

IMO, the biggest problem for this player was he had poor position, not simply that he limped aces. I would assume you sometimes need to give up a bit of your edge to make money at higher stake/tighter games? In addition, if someone raised pre-flop behind him could have 3-bet and been back in control on the flop.

It just so happens that the flop was less than optimal, and the turn was worse. So, I think post-flop he played this fine.

Personally, in 25k hands, I've probably limped AA 2x, so I don't do it much, but I usually play full ring and at lower limits, so I feel I have to represent to thin the field. Perhaps 10/20 SH games are different?
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:44 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Hi Chicago

Table was loose/ passive, as the pre-flop play shows (4 limpers, a SB completion and a BB check).

6H tables don't tend to have more than 1 tight player, if that. The players are impatient by nature, it seems. Also, the blinds come around too often for tight campers to get comfortable. Campers don't like paying a big toll to camp....

Part of the problem for campers is you can't sit there and be real tight and then try to steal blinds from the button. Also, you can't overprotect your BB if you are too tight. The regular 6H players will get on to that real quick, and challenge you with re-raises. Basically, they are saying that they don't buy the fact that all your playable hands are coming on just the button or BB.

I'm not saying that TAGS don't do well in 6H - they do. They just make appropriate adjustments to their starting requirements, thus increasing their VP$1P from 10 handed. It's the campers that will only play their 10H premium hands that can't adjust. They don't recognize the increased value of high cards and the decreased value of suited cards. The loss of blinds take their toll and when they do come out raising, the get too much respect to earn a good pot...... I'm rambling now....

PS. I guess MPs post-flop play was fine, as you say. Then again, he didn't have signle decision to make. so it's hard to go wrong.
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