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06-24-2005, 05:39 AM
Post subject: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , J.
5 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: (6 SB) 9, 7, 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (6 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.
River: (14 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.
Final Pot: 16 BB
Results in white below:
SB has Kh 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has As Js (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 16 BB.
PrimeTime209: nice catch idiot
PrimeTime209: unbelievable
TylerK'sScreenName: you had K7
PrimeTime209 has left the table.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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ROFL.
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Oh no....Nice Catch Idiot.
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I cant believe he three bet you on the flop.
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...and the turn.
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06-24-2005, 03:04 PM
Post subject: Re: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , J .
5 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: (6 SB) 9 , 7 , 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (6 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.
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I am tryign to learn limit, why don't you cap the flop and the turn? I just am studying limit before i dive into the pool.
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06-24-2005, 03:06 PM
Post subject: Re: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Originally Posted by Muxy
I am tryign to learn limit, why don't you cap the flop and the turn? I just am studying limit before i dive into the pool.
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It's hard to get more bets in when your opponent calls and closes the action. 
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On the flop he can 3bet and doesn't i was wondering.
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Yah, what kind of idiot plays AJs when there are so many better hands ... like K7s for example.
Unbelievable.  
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Originally Posted by Muxy
On the flop he can 3bet and doesn't i was wondering.
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Eh sorry, I'm an idiot. I think it's time to slow down there so you can get more bets in on the big streets. A cap might put SB into calldown mode, at least til he spikes his 7 on the river.
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Fold postflop.
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TylerK
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06-24-2005, 06:24 PM
Post subject: Re: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , J .
5 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: (6 SB) 9 , 7 , 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (6 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.
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I am tryign to learn limit, why don't you cap the flop and the turn? I just am studying limit before i dive into the pool. |
The flop play is somewhat standard steal/steal defense. If I put in the cap, it tips him off that I have a hand. I want him to bet/3-bet the turn (though I really wasn't expecting him to do it, LOL).
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On the flop he can 3bet and doesn't i was wondering.
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by just calling instead of raising, it sends out a message to the villian "rut roh i think i'm beat"
villian will then like his hand more on the turn where the bets double and you can rape him.
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06-25-2005, 10:01 PM
Post subject: Re: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Originally Posted by TylerK
PrimeTime209: nice catch idiot
PrimeTime209: unbelievable
TylerK'sScreenName: you had K7
PrimeTime209 has left the table.
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Boo! Your table chat acheived the worst possible result.
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by just calling instead of raising, it sends out a message to the villian "rut roh i think i'm beat"
villian will then like his hand more on the turn where the bets double and you can rape him.
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I used to use this line a lot. However, I find that if you cap the flop they'll lead into you or c/r the turn often enough to make it an overall better line. When an aware player runs a line like this, it almost tables their hand. Both lines have merit and can be mixed to taste. With a board like that I'm more inclined to cap so he thinks I might be jamming a draw.
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I call sometimes there also to get them in for an extra bet in the bigger round...
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When an aware player runs a line like this, it almost tables their hand.
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At the 2/4 I've seen most players wouldn't catch this at all. They would assume you're jamming a draw and couldn't summon the cojones to jam it all the way up.
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Oh, and if you cap the flop they might lead into you a lot of the time on the turn, but how often will they 3bet it?
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With a board like that I'm more inclined to cap so he thinks I might be jamming a draw.
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The only problem I have with this line is that when the draw drops you're fucked. There is no way he's leading...maybe a c/r then fold when you 3-bet the turn. The play has merit as long as the "draw" doesnt fall.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Originally Posted by poskid_1982
The only problem I have with this line is that when the draw drops you're fucked. There is no way he's leading...maybe a c/r then fold when you 3-bet the turn. The play has merit as long as the "draw" doesnt fall.
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It rarely will. Fail that, he might just call you down or even check/fold. Still it's hard to go too wrong putting in every bet you can on the flop when you have the best hand.
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At the 2/4 I've seen most players wouldn't catch this at all.
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Many 3/6 and up (full ring) players will at least go into call-down mode against that line. I didn't say this line didn't have merit, it's even optimal in many situtations. But capping the flop is often better.
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Oh, and if you cap the flop they might lead into you a lot of the time on the turn, but how often will they 3bet it?
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How often are they 3-betting the turn after you smooth call the flop 3-bet and raise the turn?
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06-26-2005, 12:04 PM
Post subject: Re: I take ammo to the blind war (LC and hilarious chat)
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Originally Posted by TylerK
PrimeTime209: nice catch idiot
PrimeTime209: unbelievable
TylerK'sScreenName: you had K7
PrimeTime209 has left the table.
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Ya, don't let them know that you know what a handhistory is 
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I like to call the flop and then raise the turn as well and in this instance it worked out the best. I think as long as he has position on the guy and there is no chance that he will check behind then I like this play better. If out of position I would cap the flop as more and more players are checking behind these days instead of betting.
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I think as long as he has position on the guy and there is no chance that he will check behind then I like this play better.
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Still consider how often is he going to lead into a cap given how aggro games are these days? How often is a worse hand 3-betting? How much value is there getting in 1SB when you have the nuts given that there is a (small) chance he out-draws you on the turn. Weigh the 3 together and I think it's really close favoring capping against most opponents.
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Nice catch, idiot!
I just thought about this today and it made me chuckle.
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Fold preflop, you've got no reason to get involved. No reason. 
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Fold preflop, you've got no reason to get involved. No reason.
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I saw the episode you were talking about, but I didn't see where he said that. I thought the commentators' reactions were priceless though.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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This sounds like what I said to a guy when I was out kick and he out drew to a straight also... I wanted myself to look stupid... it was the 2nd hand I played...
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