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LawDude

11-25-2009, 08:04 AM Post subject: i really fouled this one up

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8/16 at hustler. the two villains are:

1. SB is a bad player. he bets with nothing, slowplays when he is leading, calls too much, and often takes weird lines (as he did here)

2. MP is a pretty good player, a bit over-aggresive and thus prone to spew with a second best hand or into a strong villain, but certainly a tight aggressive player who can make good plays.

hero is in the CO with AsAc. 3 limpers. hero raises. SB, BB, and all the limpers call.

flop is T62 with 2 hearts. checks to hero, who bets. everyone calls.

turn is 9d. SB donks. folds to MP, who raises. hero....???

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ponyboy

11-25-2009, 09:39 AM

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Funny thing is in limit, especially in a loose game I have found AA to be a tough hand.

MP probably has the same opinion that you do, so he may be raising just to build a pot with SB in it. Is he prone to build a pot with just a draw?

Since the initial play was a limp I think you don't have to be afraid of 1010 or 99. IMO you still have the best hand and should reraise because many cards to come can make things very difficult. If he capped I really don't think my opinion would change because my read would still be he's trying to build a pot with an OESD, flush draw or TPTK.

KoRnholio

11-25-2009, 04:57 PM

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I'd raise, if someone has 2 pair we still have a decent number of outs. I could see MP doing this with just a ten very easily.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

LawDude

11-25-2009, 05:42 PM

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i was really in the tank on this one. first, focusing on MP. he could have one of a number of things:

1. set or straight. we are crushed.

2. 2 pair. he's solidly ahead, but we have some outs.

3. top pair. he's trying to get heads up against SB. we are way ahead.

4. a draw? maybe a pair and a draw?

and while i am less worried about SB, what does he have that was good for a turn donk?

i didn't like a raise here. is anyone folding? are we crushed? what do we do if one of the villains caps?

i figured there was enough likelihood of 2, 3, or 4 and enough in the pot to justify a call. but i wonder if i actually have enough equity, or whether most of the time i am either way behind with a few outs or way behind and drawing near dead or dead. when you think about it, there is a far greater likelihood that we are way behind rather than ahead here.

in any event, i called here. SB also called.

river was Ah. both players check. what do i do now?

KoRnholio

11-26-2009, 04:18 AM

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I think lots of times with one pair hands people take one off on the flop in semi bloated pots like this. When the turn comes more or less a blank (a 6 really only helps 87), then they start to hit the gas to protect their hand against overcards and such.

I can see merit in just calling the turn, the pot is big enough that any OESD or flush draw is calling.

I think what makes it a tough spot is that all those players behind us probably have pretty lukewarm hands like gutshots+1 overcard or a pair (5 outs). If we just call, we may encourage them to school, getting 7,8,9:1 odds, thus getting almost the right price to call. Possibly even +EV with a river bet or 2 going in on the river.

Raising will mostly force them out (though I've seen stupider calls for 3 bets cold in live games), essentially forcing them to play (fold) correctly, getting only 5-6:1.

River I think is an easy bet against these two. I just can't see either one checking a flush, or a very unlikely straight, there.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

LawDude

11-26-2009, 05:33 AM

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well, of course, i did bet the river. SB raised. MP went into the tank for a couple of minutes and folded. i called.

SB turned over Kh3h. MP swears he folded a straight.

so maybe my play wasn't so bad. i certainly thought i was ahead on the river.

Muzzard

11-28-2009, 03:38 AM

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cool story bro

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