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Trikflow77
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09-23-2005, 09:55 AM
Post subject: I play hand like donkey
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: im so asian
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Just sat down at table........2nd hand........im 8 tabling sngs at the same time.......
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q .
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.
Flop: (17 SB) 6, T, 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
Turn: (10.50 BB) 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.
River: (17.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.
Final Pot: 17.50 BB
my plan was to c/r the 3 bettor.........but bb lead...... man this hand sucked......what would you do with absoluted no reads....... and i know the standard lead flop or raise flop line......anything other than that.....
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Fnord
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Looks about right.
Never was able to 8 table, maybe that's why I'm so LAggy...
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4-of-a-Kind
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i don't get it. why are you trying to get fancy with a CR?
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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Lead out on the flop. You capped preflop and checked the flop -- "Hi, I have a monster!"
BB either has KK or AA.
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Trikflow77
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Lead out on the flop. You capped preflop and checked the flop -- "Hi, I have a monster!"
BB either has KK or AA.
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If you read the whole post you would have seen the part about i know the standard line is to lead.........but i was trying to c/r to thin field.......a 4 way capped pot leads to overs calling me down for 1 bet........not for 2 on the flop. I was not trying to get fancy. Oh and BB did not have aa or kk..........ship it
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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I know what you planned. That doesn't mean it was a good plan. You c/r'd two opponents. If BB hand't threebet, Mp3 was coming along for the ride, meaning your plan failed.
Its not a horrible play, but I dont think its ideal.
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Lead the turn?
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Xanadu
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This is an extremely big pot, and as such, you have almost no chance to protect your hand ... nothing will thin the field on the flop, and only a check raise of a bettor to your immediate left faces the field with bad pot odds for very weak draws. This is a value bet situation if you have more than your share of the equity, and I think you do, so you want to get as much money in the pot as you can 4-way.
I think you clearly have better than 25% winning chances here. Even if you are only ahead on the flop 25% of the time (which would give you even odds on any bets), you will usually win when improving to a set. Even though there is a good chance one of your outs is in your opponent's hand, I think this would bump you up another 5%, and 30% in a 4way pot is an edge to push when the pot is so large.
Your line here is whatever you think will get the most bets called by all your opponents. One other consideration, with the high likelihood of an AK being out there, a blank on the turn significantly increases the value of your hand. I think calling the flop and check-raising a turn blank is my line, and I consider that 3rd straight card a blank due to the preflop action.
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Trikflow77
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
This is an extremely big pot, and as such, you have almost no chance to protect your hand ... nothing will thin the field on the flop, and only a check raise of a bettor to your immediate left faces the field with bad pot odds for very weak draws. This is a value bet situation if you have more than your share of the equity, and I think you do, so you want to get as much money in the pot as you can 4-way.
I think you clearly have better than 25% winning chances here. Even if you are only ahead on the flop 25% of the time (which would give you even odds on any bets), you will usually win when improving to a set. Even though there is a good chance one of your outs is in your opponent's hand, I think this would bump you up another 5%, and 30% in a 4way pot is an edge to push when the pot is so large.
Your line here is whatever you think will get the most bets called by all your opponents. One other consideration, with the high likelihood of an AK being out there, a blank on the turn significantly increases the value of your hand. I think calling the flop and check-raising a turn blank is my line, and I consider that 3rd straight card a blank due to the preflop action.
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which is what i did..... but did i miss a river bet? Anybody bet this river....i have a tough time doing it cause i only beat one hand JJ.
Oh by the way, he did have JJ and i won this pot.
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