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Old 04-18-2005, 04:50 AM     Post subject: I need some help. Attaching hand histories. #1 (permalink)  
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I started playing online at Partypoker .5-1 in January 2005. I was going through some heavy swings and I believe that I was playing a lot passive. I still managed to win 400$ in Jan and was very happy and decided to try 2-4 in a B&M Casino and lost 200$ in 1 night. So back at Party Poker again and trying to up my game in long term.

Then I found you guys at FlopTurnRiver. I already feel that my game has improved somewhat better than before and I have learnt SO MUCH from all of your posts and I plan to visit this site everyday

My problem is that I have difficulty identifying where I am beat and think my TPTK is good or Two pair is good. Also if the board is a little coordinated I chicken out and maybe am missing a lot of bets. Like I said, I have got my work cut out for me. I really appreciate your guidance in this matter.

I am attaching a few hands below, most of which I lost and few I won. I am desperately looking for some guidance to improve my game. thank you so much for your time and efforts.

P.S. - the first 4 hands are from my session in one particular room where me and this other guy got tangled in same pots. He kicked my ass though .


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Hand 1:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7, 6, K (3 players)
Villain checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero raises, Villain calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets, Villain folds.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 8h (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.25 BB.
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Hand 2:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q, 7, 6 (4 players)
Villain bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Villain calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7 (3 players)
Villain bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, Villain 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) 7 (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero raises, Villain 3-bets, Hero caps, Villain calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qh Kh (full house, sevens full of queens).
Villain has Ad 7c (four of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Villain wins 21 BB.
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Hand 3:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, T.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 3 folds, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J, 9, 2 (4 players)
Villain bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, Villain calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T (3 players)
Villain bets, BB calls, Hero raises, Villain calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Villain calls, BB calls.

River: (17 BB) 4 (3 players)
Villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Villain folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 2c 2h (three of a kind, twos).
Hero has Js Ts (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: BB wins 19 BB.
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Hand 4:


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T, A, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, Villain bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, Villain calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 8 (3 players)
Villain bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) J (3 players)
Villain bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results in white below:
Villain has 8s Th (two pair, tens and eights).
MP3 has As 7s (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ac Kc (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Villain wins 14.75 BB.
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Hand 5:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3, 7, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 3 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

River: (7.25 BB) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qh Qc (two pair, queens and threes).
UTG+1 has Kd Td (two pair, tens and threes).
Hero has 8c 8h (two pair, eights and threes).
Outcome: BB wins 11.25 BB.
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Hand 6:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2, 4, 5 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 8d (two pair, jacks and eights).
MP2 has Ac 4s (two pair, jacks and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB.
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Hand 7:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 7.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5, A, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 4 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 5s 7h (two pair, sevens and fives).
UTG has Ts Ac (one pair, aces).
UTG+2 has 7s Qs (one pair, sevens).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 4.25 BB.
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Hand 8:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q, T, J (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Js (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Qc Ad (two pair, queens and tens).
Button has Kd 6s (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 9.25 BB.
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Hand 9:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 5.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A, 8, 9 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 22.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac 5c (straight, nine high).
UTG+1 has Qs Ah (one pair, aces).
MP3 has Kc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.25 BB.
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Hand 10:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, K. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3, Q, K (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 3h 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has 8c Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: SB wins 12.50 BB.
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Hand 11:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, 4.
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9, 4, 8 (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5 BB) J (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (8 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks 4s (flush, king high).
UTG+2 has Jh Kh (one pair, jacks).
Button has Td Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB.
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Hand 12:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7, 6, K (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 8h (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.25 BB.
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Hand 13:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) A, 3, T (7 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (17.75 BB) 4 (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (21.75 BB) 3 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 24.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has 5s 3h (three of a kind, threes).
MP3 has Ts Ac (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has Kd As (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 24.75 BB.
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Hand 14:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J, 4, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Jd Ad (two pair, jacks and nines).
Hero has Qc Qs (two pair, queens and nines).
MP2 has Jc Qd (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB.
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Hand 15:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, K.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) K, T, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ts Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Button has Td 8c (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB.
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Old 04-18-2005, 05:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: this is 0.5/1, not 10/20...don't isolate 3bet with 88. the rest was well played...but you need a read on villian to raise that turn. guess it worked out.

hand 2: call the river, definitely don't cap that river.

hand 3: well played. calling the flop and waiting for a safe turn card to raise is also a good play.

hand 4: well played

hand 5: what's with you and 88? it's not that strong! bet the river and fold to the raise.

hand 6: yeh

hand 7: bet the turn, bet the river

hand 8: fine

hand 9: i don't like the flop call, 3bet or fold. i'm more inclined to say fold here.

hand 10: raise the flop

hand 11: why did you bet the turn here?

hand 12: quit 3betting 88 preflop. wait a minute, this is the same as hand 1!

hand 13: raise the turn.

hand 14: yep

hand 15: i bet the flop here. what's with the call tho? 3bet it if you're gonna check raise. cap the turn.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:11 AM     Post subject: thanks a lot #3 (permalink)  
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hypermegachi, Thanks a lot for taking the time to read the history and providing analysis.

I have some further comments. Appreciate your reply if you can.

1) Yes you are correct, I had no read on villain. I dont know what I was thinking

7) Turn completes a flush. River completes 2 straights. I chickened out

10) Can I raise with K-x suited in middle position ?

11) I had four to flush and if a spade falls on the river, i might not get any calls. So i bet the turn since there are already enough people in the pot.
Is that wrong logic?
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:07 PM     Post subject: Re: thanks a lot #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
7) Turn completes a flush. River completes 2 straights. I chickened out
10) Can I raise with K-x suited in middle position ?
11) I had four to flush and if a spade falls on the river, i might not get any calls. So i bet the turn since there are already enough people in the pot.
Is that wrong logic?
7) you can't always be afraid of the flush. most of the time no one has a flush. i'd check/call the river tho if a lot of them still call.

10) you must raise to flop to protect your hand. you do have top pair decent kicker! on the turn, with one card to come you're somethin like 4:1 to hit or something like that. anyways, you need 3 or 4 players to call your bet to make your bet profitable.

11) remember, it's different jamming the pot on the flush draw on the flop vs the turn. on the flop you have 2 cards to come, and it's cheaper to push your pot equity. on the turn, it's expensive and you only have 1 card to come, so you need more players in. this hand was close, as you did get 2 players to call (almost the 3rd) and they both paid you off on the river. implied odds kick ass.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 05:43 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 hand 2 was an obvious check-call situation. nobody 3bets the turn on a bluff.

hand 7 was weak tight. bet the turn and slow down only if someone raises back at you.

hand 9... you should be ashamed of yourself and you know it. cold calling that flop was extremely loose. look what you sucked out on!!

hand 10, fold or raise that flop. calling is for fish.

hand 11, raise the flop with pair + strong draw.

hand 12 = hand 1??

hand 15, what the hell are you doing slowplaying a mere two pair when there's a flush draw on the board? extremely bad idea.

as for the rest of the hands, i actually liked them all.

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Old 04-19-2005, 05:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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10) you must raise to flop to protect your hand. you do have top pair decent kicker! on the turn, with one card to come you're somethin like 4:1 to hit or something like that. anyways, you need 3 or 4 players to call your bet to make your bet profitable.
This is a must. It turns out SB flopped a set, but it's a blessing when someone bets before you when you hold top pair. You raise to both protect your hand and also to gather information. SB should then reraise. That's when you fold because your kicker is merely decent, your only on a back door draw, and he's indicating more strength than you can handle with what you hold. As it turned out you lost more bets by not looking him up earlier.

Imagine he didn't have the set, but instead an open ended straight draw. You don't want to get porked by two pair on the turn from someone in late position sticking around with Q4. Raise up. The flop round is for information gathering just like preflop. That's because it's cheap. You want to put people on hands before the bet doubles and you find yourself double porked.
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
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