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Bad Beaten
Old 08-02-2005, 06:57 PM     Post subject: Was I just unlucky or did I screw up? #1 (permalink)  
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I flop the nut straight, and bet the pot.

Two callers

No heart on the turn, I pot bet again and get a call and a fold.

I had him on a heart flush, and the board comes running clubs, giving me the 8 high flush with no reason to believe that he had two clubs in his hand.

I pot bet the river in case he playing the nut straight in addition to or instead of the nut flush, and he calls.

Turns out he also had a draw to a baby club flush, and his 9 beat my 8.

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PokerStars Game #2246273896: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/08/02 - 14:48:22 (ET) Table 'Lomia' Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: jj_frap ($25 in chips) Seat 2: coion69 ($4.75 in chips) Seat 3: tant ($6.90 in chips) Seat 4: Big Big Rdg ($20.05 in chips) Seat 6: Dipset05 ($9 in chips) Seat 7: caseman ($4.95 in chips) Seat 8: Pumper01 ($15.90 in chips) Seat 9: peoples2 ($4.75 in chips)
peoples2: posts small blind $0.10
jj_frap: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [5c 6d Qh 8c]
suelei leaves the table
coion69: folds
tant: calls $0.25
Big Big Rdg: calls $0.25
Dipset05: folds
Dipset05 leaves the table
caseman: calls $0.25
Pumper01: calls $0.25
peoples2: calls $0.15
jj_frap: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h 4h 7c]
peoples2: checks
jj_frap: bets $1.45
tant: calls $1.45
Big Big Rdg: calls $1.45
caseman: folds
Pumper01: folds
peoples2: folds
*** TURN *** [6h 4h 7c] [2c]
Pumper01 leaves the table
jj_frap: bets $5.60
tant: folds
Big Big Rdg: calls $5.60
*** RIVER *** [6h 4h 7c 2c] [Ac]
jj_frap: bets $16.25
Big Big Rdg: calls $12.75 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jj_frap: shows [5c 6d Qh 8c] (a flush, Ace high) Big Big Rdg: shows [3c Ah 9h 9c] (a flush, Ace high - Nine higher) Big Big Rdg collected $40.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42.55 | Rake $2.05
Board [6h 4h 7c 2c Ac]
Seat 1: jj_frap (big blind) showed [5c 6d Qh 8c] and lost with a flush, Ace high Seat 2: coion69 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: tant folded on the Turn Seat 4: Big Big Rdg showed [3c Ah 9h 9c] and won ($40.50) with a flush, Ace high Seat 6: Dipset05 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: caseman folded on the Flop Seat 8: Pumper01 (button) folded on the Flop Seat 9: peoples2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
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stuck
Old 08-02-2005, 08:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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well, your read was right -- he was on the heart draw. Unfortunately, he also had clubs

I don't think there's anything you can do about this.

[then again, I'm not much of an omaha player.]

Try betting less on the river, though -- if you think he missed his draw, he's not going to call anyhow, so make it more of a value bet than a "I'm protecting my hand" bet. If he comes over the top, call.
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Old 08-02-2005, 08:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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well, your read was right -- he was on the heart draw. Unfortunately, he also had clubs

I don't think there's anything you can do about this.

[then again, I'm not much of an omaha player.]

Try betting less on the river, though -- if you think he missed his draw, he's not going to call anyhow, so make it more of a value bet than a "I'm protecting my hand" bet. If he comes over the top, call.
I still thought that there was a chance that he had the nut straight as well rather than the heart draw, and I wanted him to scare him from the pot by representing a high backdoor flush.
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Old 08-03-2005, 12:57 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Recently, while playing Omaha, I flopped the nuts with a small straight. 2 others were raising pot around me and the 25 cent big blind pot limit game yielded a $7 flop bet to call. I chose to fold the nuts, knowing that my hand can't really improve. As it turns out, both other players has the same nut straight, one with a flush draw as well and the other with trips.
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Old 08-03-2005, 03:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Recently, while playing Omaha, I flopped the nuts with a small straight. 2 others were raising pot around me and the 25 cent big blind pot limit game yielded a $7 flop bet to call. I chose to fold the nuts, knowing that my hand can't really improve. As it turns out, both other players has the same nut straight, one with a flush draw as well and the other with trips.
I don't think one caller in a loose game is anything to be scared about when flopping the nuts.
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