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scgolfer
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08-03-2004, 06:27 AM
Post subject: I have a guy that i have on PT
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Full House
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I have a guy on my pokertracker that I have played with over 600 hands. He is seeing 56% of flops. and is winning 12bb/100. It seems as though he is the luckiest player I have ever seen. He is playing mutlitables and winning all the time. Could he just be lucky?? Its unbelievable.
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michael1123
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Great players often play a lot of hands. Take a look at Gus Hansen. If he's that good at post flop play, he can certainly get away with that.
And that's especially true if its NL that you're talking about.
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scgolfer
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No talking limit 3/6 and 2/4. Its unbelievable. You cant bluff at those levels you have to have hands. I cant see how he can do it profitably. I think it is just a blip in the variance. Calling down with second pair, and catching flushes playing 25s is just plain luck.
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LockLow34
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Originally Posted by scgolfer
No talking limit 3/6 and 2/4. Its unbelievable. You cant bluff at those levels you have to have hands. I cant see how he can do it profitably. I think it is just a blip in the variance. Calling down with second pair, and catching flushes playing 25s is just plain luck.
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What site? What's his handle? I know a guy who does that, catches cards ALL the damn time.
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scgolfer
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NO its not Rippy, but his name was something like Shangrila12 or something like that, I dont have my PT at work. He's amazing with his luck. I can see it over a short time period, but over 600 hands?
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allLiving
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He probably just has a different strategy and can read people better.
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scgolfer
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I think reading people online is very difficult, online tells at best very misleading. He could have PT as well and have a read on how people play, but calling down with second pair and catching a flush playing 25s UTG doesnt tell me anything other than he has been very fortunate.
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heatman
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I've seen lots of people who are willing to play any two suited cards in any position.
I think you can get away with it in no-limit if the table is passive, loose and weak after the flop(ie see flops for cheap and make people pay if you hit the flush/draw), but in limit I can't believe anybody could make money that way.
I'd bet its variance. How long have you seen this guy around? I'll bet you begin to see less and less of him as his bankroll starts taking the hit its bound for.
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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fishstick
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maybe for this type of review, 600 hands isn't really a good enough sample size.
i've had some great runs that lasted over 10 or 12 tourneys - that would probably be ~500 - 600 hands.
just a thought...
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I see these players around all the time on the 6max curcuit some playing over 70% of there hands, I'm pretty certain in a month or two he won't be around still playing 50% of the flops, unless he's incredibly rich and can afford to give away money.
The 2/4 and 3/6 levels usually hold reasonable to good players and I don't think a loose strategy would succeed mid/long term.
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michael1123
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I think reading people online in limit is very difficult. If I have a feel for the player, I'm pretty good at reading people online in NL. It definitely can be done.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by michael1123
I think reading people online in limit is very difficult. If I have a feel for the player, I'm pretty good at reading people online in NL. It definitely can be done.
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I disagree. In limit you have more information to work from and an incorrect read is much more forgiving. In NL, you often have to make a big session influencing decision based on the fact you bet pot and he went over the top.
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montimus
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by michael1123
I think reading people online in limit is very difficult. If I have a feel for the player, I'm pretty good at reading people online in NL. It definitely can be done.
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I disagree. In limit you have more information to work from and an incorrect read is much more forgiving. In NL, you often have to make a big session influencing decision based on the fact you bet pot and he went over the top. |
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Fnord, on this point. In limit, you get to see people's hole cards a lot more often than you would in NL, where if someone folds to an NL bet, you see no cards. In limit, hands very often go to the river, and you get to see a lot of people's cards a lot. In limit, its very easy to establish who's playing any ace, who's a raising station, who's playing only group 0 or 1 hands etc. You don't really need to "read" people, per se, in limit...you simply need to have a very educated guess as to what they are most likely playing.
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michael1123
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What are you talking about, Fnord? I wasn't talking about how forgiving or important it is in each, I was saying its easier to read people in NL.
The fact that all bets are equal obviously greatly limits the ability to read players. People who are semi-bluffing bet exactly the same as they do if they have a boat, or bottom pair, or top pair, or a set, or two pair, or a flush, etc.
All you can read in betting amounts is how often they raise, but the fact that each and every bet in NL can be any amount gives you a ton more information.
Edit: Ok, though, montimus makes a good point about seeing hole cards more, so you can get an idea of what they like to play. But reading what they are betting on at a particular time is extremely more difficult in limit.
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johnnyawe
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Is this in 6-max?
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