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10-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Post subject: I get cute with Big Slick...
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I could write a full page on the button. He plays 70% of his hand, never raises pre-flop. He's been floating on an otherwise too tight table stealing pots. Almost never bets or raises the flop and loves to donk the big streets. Stolen a few pots betting when checked to.
UTG+1 is an otherwise boring TAggy pre-flop. A little passive post-flop. Probably 7-8% PFR and plays pre-flop from a table.
BB is kinda TAggy too
I'm giving the Button more action than anyone else at the table, so this has probably impacted my table image has has certainly impacted what I think they think.
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Preflop: Fnord is SB with K , A .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 3 folds, Button calls, Fnord calls, BB calls.
Flop: (8 SB) T, 7, 4 (4 players)
Fnord checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.
Turn: (4 BB) K (4 players)
Fnord checks...
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Too advanced for my stakes.
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A'aag
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Why only call preflop?
I think the likelihood of the turn checking through is relatively low, but...why risk it?
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Originally Posted by A'aag
Why only call preflop?
I think the likelihood of the turn checking through is relatively low, but...why risk it?
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Here I'd be raising PF, betting the flop, betting the turn, betting the river and dragging the pot most of the time.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by iopq
Too advanced for my stakes.
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My goal on every street of every game I play is to make the play that makes the most money.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by iopq
Here I'd be raising PF, betting the flop, betting the turn, betting the river and dragging the pot most of the time.
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I've played it like that and am no longer sure it's the best way to play this particular hand, from this position against these particular opponents.
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Originally Posted by iopq
Here I'd be raising PF, betting the flop, betting the turn, betting the river and dragging the pot most of the time.
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I've played it like that and am no longer sure it's the best way to play this particular hand, from this position against these particular opponents. |
How many bets can you get out if you bet every street and get called by two?
1 SB
1 SB
1 BB
1 BB
3BBx2
Did you get more than 6BB with that play?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by iopq
How many bets can you get out if you bet every street and get called by two?
1 SB
1 SB
1 BB
1 BB
3BBx2
Did you get more than 6BB with that play?
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I understand your line of thinking if I had AA/KK/QQ. Playing AK vs a tight UTG raise and a player who has position and will happen to play well against naked aggression is going to cause us to put in a lot of big bets when behind with that line.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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You lost me there.
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Fnord
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You lost me there. |
Anyone else following?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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You lost me there. |
Too bad. |
I wish there were a small stakes forum for pwnerers like me.
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I like the play although I would probably bet the turn in the heat of the moment.
I think UTG+1 has only overcards on the flop and is worried about the Button coldcall; he most likely bets the turn hitting the King or not. Button is calling any pair or draw as you described him; no real info on BB. Assuming BB checks-UTG+1 bets- Button calls, was your thinking to checkraise or smooth call two streets? I would only be worried here if BB calls or raises.
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i play the same preflop. AK really really likes position.
i bet the turn, so i can get a 3bet in when someone raises me.
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Fnord
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i bet the turn, so i can get a 3bet in when someone raises me.
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Do you think this line-up is likely to raise me with a worse hand if I bet?
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i bet the turn, so i can get a 3bet in when someone raises me.
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Do you think this line-up is likely to raise me with a worse hand if I bet? |
No. (At least not by a hand that you beat)
But what happens when it is checked to the button?
he bets, you raise, pushing out the other 2. He probably calls, maybe not.
By leading, you are "making a play at the pot" where more players are likely to come along to look you up.
However, betting and getting 2 calls against 2 opponents is worse than getting 2 bets from one opponent, as you are effectively doubling your chances to lose the hand.
You need to be able to make up for this on the river.
It looks to me as though the EV for leading and checkraising the turn is the same.
Now what happens on the river? Most likely if you are ahead, you bet and get one caller.
Are you likely to get a caller if you checkraise the turn? Does this extra BB make up for the increased chance of losing the hand?
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Results:
Turn is checked through?!?!?
River is a 5
I bet, BB raises, all fold. I just can't find a fold, so I call and am shown 86s.
I f'd up the turn.
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There's another reason to jam the pot with AK :D
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10-05-2005, 02:59 PM
Post subject: Re: I get cute with Big Slick...
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by Fnord
button... plays 70% of his hand
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UTG+1 ... TAggy pre-flop... passive post-flop.
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BB is kinda TAggy too.
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I don't think any of these players have a better hand than you on the turn. Getting 4-1 on a bet, and with Hero in the SB, I don't mind taking it down right here. I'm not giving anyone a set here because they SHOULD bet the flop to set up some hand reading on the turn (since there is a diamond draw).
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Tim Vecchioni
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this is a good play for 2 reasons...one being that by seeing no raise you dont put any of them on big hands...second when you hit the king and check it as long as you arent running into 2 pair...youve seen them check it to you on the flop realizing they are slow playing or have jack shit or middle or even bottom pair. By checking the king you get a bet out of one of them for sure and might of hit a k/q k/j and you bump it up after hoping getting 1 or 2 calls hoping its one of the guys in early posistion coming in with the bet...then raise it up and youll most likely get 1 call if they all called the intial bet which was the k/q k/j. Then as long as the guy doesnt suck out ont he river youve just made your self 3 big bets rather then 3 small bets and maybe no more by being in lead of the hand. Good play and a awesome way to mix things up to keep them guessing.
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