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TylerK

06-24-2005, 05:09 AM Post subject: I get checkraised a freaking lot.

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At what point do I stop paying these off? Or should I just pay it off anyway?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, A

. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 4

, J

, K

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac As (two pair, aces and jacks).
SB has Ah 5h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins 12.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, A

.
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K

, 8

, 6

(3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) T

(2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has 8c 7s (two pair, eights and sevens).
Hero has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 11.75 BB.

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Nehmer

06-24-2005, 05:19 AM

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You never stop paying off these hands. The first hand I think is a clear call-down situation and I think I'd have 3-bet the turn on the second hand depending on my read.

Gatlin Dan

06-24-2005, 05:26 AM

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Tyler, have you been check-raised on the turn to find out he's bluffing after calling him down? At 2/4, I doubt you will see a c/r bluff very often. I think with over pairs like you had in these two hands, you should be more willing to lay it down if it's not HU. If you have re-draws after you see the turn, I would continue to play more often. Check-raising with only 3 people in the pot on the turn tells me he almost always has at least two pair.

The play at 2/4 is not known for incredibly advanced and tricky players. I think the vast majority of time they are going to have what they are representing when they check-raise. I would give them credit for having a good hand and stop giving them so much credit for being better players than they are. Your play seems to indicate you are thinking at a higher level than most of your opponents. Maybe you are out thinking yourself.

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TylerK

06-24-2005, 06:20 AM

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I think you might be right, Dan. I wonder if I can run a PT query to find out how many of these types of hands I won/lost. Maybe I'll run it by the SQL nerds over on those forums.

Edit: Also, if I'm against 2 pair I have at least an 8 out redraw, not horrible anyway.

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Ayce

06-24-2005, 06:34 AM

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My experience of 1/2 and 2/4 limit is that most players are very loose (hence lots of suck outs) few are deceptive in any way. When playing at those levels I check raise the turn as a matter of course with good hands and they nearly always call me down with any old rubbish.

If you raise early they are actually more likely to fold, I suspect they think about the amount of "their" money that is in the pot.

At 3/6 and 5/10 you can sometimes use a check raise as a bluff or semi-bluff quite effectively until you get caught.

I am still surprised by the number of people who will cap the turn and river with a set on a straight or flush board. If you have something like 79s and flop the nut straight some of them simply do not see it. Early on I was caught by people capping and i thought to myself "let's stop feeding the rake we both have this straight" only to find i had missed a couple of bets.

elipsesjeff

06-24-2005, 06:42 AM

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You're calling down just for the sake of calling down. You can't fold in this situation, especially not HU. Also, you've got lots of outs on the river in the second one.

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TylerK

06-24-2005, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

You're calling down just for the sake of calling down. You can't fold in this situation, especially not HU. Also, you've got lots of outs on the river in the second one.

Explain more why I can't fold, because I'm starting to wonder about that.

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06-24-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerK

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

You're calling down just for the sake of calling down. You can't fold in this situation, especially not HU. Also, you've got lots of outs on the river in the second one.

Explain more why I can't fold, because I'm starting to wonder about that.

Because you have odds to at least see the river to draw out on the guy. Also, you are going to win this more than 8% of the time, you just havent played enough to see how many real idots are out there. Many will wait until the turn to raise their TPTK on you because they think they have a read on you.

Once you call the turn you have odds to call the river. If this were multiway pot, then I could see an argument for a fold. Even then, you have value. A raise and a reraise on the first hand you could possibly find a fold.

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