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Old 11-12-2004, 06:16 PM     Post subject: I do this way too much... #1 (permalink)  
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$1/$2 Hold'em - Friday, November 12, 14:11:05 EDT 2004
Table Mint Machine (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: mrthana ( $84.59 )
Seat 3: shkura ( $116.25 )
Seat 6: hohoyoyo ( $62.3 )
Seat 7: johnty555 ( $51.75 )
Seat 4: zenbitz ( $54 )
Seat 10: ilovemydogs ( $114 )
Seat 9: plade_out ( $26 )
Seat 8: jenrndream ( $27 )
Seat 1: rawco ( $51 )
Seat 5: Dreg48 ( $50 )
shkura posts small blind [$0.5].
zenbitz posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to zenbitz [ :Kd: ]
hohoyoyo folds.
johnty555 folds.
jenrndream calls [$1].
plade_out folds.
ilovemydogs folds.
rawco folds.
mrthana folds.
shkura calls [$0.5].
zenbitz checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Tc, Jc ]
shkura checks.
zenbitz checks.
jenrndream checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
shkura checks.
zenbitz checks.
jenrndream checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
shkura checks.
zenbitz bets [$2].
jenrndream calls [$2].
shkura folds.
zenbitz shows [ Kd, 5h ] a pair of fives.
jenrndream shows [ 2s, Ah ] a pair of aces.
jenrndream wins $6.5 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

jen is a calling station, but only 13 hands worth. That's pretty passive, though! Still, hard for me to criticize, won her $2 extra!

Shkura was either a good player with good cards (a little loose, not very aggressive), or a Lagg with terrible cards.
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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here's the thing with a situation like this (playing against a calling station):

-if they don't have the ace and you bet, they fold. you gain nothing.

-if they do have the ace (with a crappy kicker) and you bet, they call. you lose a big bet.

so unless you have an ace, take the check and hope for the best.

calling stations still give me grief!
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:39 PM     Post subject: agree with fishstick #3 (permalink)  
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 i think a more common outcome is that the weakling limps to the river and then calls the showdown with a ten to beat your baby pair. checking is a good idea on such a tiny pot.

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Old 11-12-2004, 06:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, it was a bad play. I was on autopilot. Since no one had bet, I assumed they (like me) had nothing. Then I forgot that even calling stations will fold to a river bet if they have like, King high. About the only guy who calls me and loses iis the guy with the '3'
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I used to make the same mistake, betting the baby pair on the river in position if all streets are checked.

I stopped. Those kind of hands hurt the worst.
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:08 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Bad players slow play pairs and lots of other stuff.

Don't bet a hand on the river that doesn't beat much more than a bluff. You're better off catching a bluff (although with such a micro-scopic pot I would fold this to a bet) or checking it through.

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