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elipsesjeff

10-19-2004, 09:57 PM Post subject: I can see how you can have huge swings

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Fnord, I can see how you can have huge swings if all you play is Party:

$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Tuesday, October 19, 17:37:22 EDT 2004
Table Table 12960 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Maudib1 ( $39 )
Seat 2: ABAxSB ( $22.5 )
Seat 3: Arbor ( $16 )
Seat 4: FloppTheNuts ( $24.5 )
Seat 5: japple25 ( $39.75 )
Seat 6: yankfan1984 ( $31.5 )
Seat 7: jktbubble ( $5 )
Seat 8: CodeRedRuleU ( $39.5 )
Seat 9: Madcows2 ( $46.5 )
Seat 10: lokitak ( $47.5 )
yankfan1984 posts small blind [$0.25].
jktbubble posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CodeRedRuleU [ 2h 2s ]
CodeRedRuleU calls [$0.5].
Madcows2 folds.
lokitak folds.
Maudib1 folds.
ABAxSB folds.
Arbor folds.
FloppTheNuts calls [$0.5].
japple25 calls [$0.5].
yankfan1984 raises [$0.75].
jktbubble raises [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
FloppTheNuts calls [$1].
japple25 calls [$1].
yankfan1984 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 3c, 8c ]
yankfan1984 checks.
jktbubble checks.
CodeRedRuleU checks.
FloppTheNuts checks.
japple25 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
yankfan1984 bets [$1].
jktbubble folds.
CodeRedRuleU raises [$2].
>You have options at Table 11345 Table!.
FloppTheNuts folds.
japple25 calls [$2].
yankfan1984 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
yankfan1984 checks.
>You have options at Table 11345 Table!.
CodeRedRuleU checks.
japple25 bets [$1].
yankfan1984 folds.
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
japple25 shows [ Tc, 7c ] a flush, ten high.
CodeRedRuleU doesn't show [ 2h, 2s ] three of a kind, twos.
>You have options at Table 11345 Table!.
japple25 wins $14.75 from the main pot with a flush, ten high.

Well, my only reasoning I have for calling the cap preflop was I figured if they all held high cards then if my 2 hit I could have a nice pot. Well, I guess a 10-7s had the same idea...

$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Tuesday, October 19, 17:39:47 EDT 2004
Table Table 11345 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: scottb1212 ( $19.75 )
Seat 2: MyBackPages ( $25 )
Seat 4: waynejr40 ( $25.75 )
Seat 5: jnr14 ( $14 )
Seat 7: pgaproart ( $32.25 )
Seat 10: CodeRedRuleU ( $52.25 )
Seat 9: will1083 ( $23.25 )
Seat 6: nopenopenope ( $9.5 )
Seat 8: muddy_buddy ( $24.5 )
Seat 3: Ivanapolis ( $50 )
jnr14 posts small blind [$0.25].
nopenopenope posts big blind [$0.5].
Ivanapolis posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CodeRedRuleU [ Ac Kh ]
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
muddy_buddy folds.
will1083 folds.
CodeRedRuleU raises [$1].
scottb1212 calls [$1].
Ivanapolis folds.
waynejr40 calls [$1].
jnr14 folds.
nopenopenope folds.
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 8c, Ah ]
pgaproart bets [$0.5].
CodeRedRuleU raises [$1].
scottb1212 folds.
waynejr40 calls [$1].
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
pgaproart bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
waynejr40 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
pgaproart bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
waynejr40 calls [$1].
pgaproart shows [ 5h, 8d ] two pairs, eights and fives.
CodeRedRuleU doesn't show [ Ac, Kh ] a pair of aces.
waynejr40 doesn't show [ Ks, Qd ] a pair of queens.
pgaproart wins $13.50 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and fives.

I have no Idea. All I know is from experience if you raise on the flop and get called, then the same person comes out betting then chances are he has you beat.

***** Hand History for Game 1077784748 *****
$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Tuesday, October 19, 17:37:49 EDT 2004
Table Table 11345 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: scottb1212 ( $21.25 )
Seat 2: MyBackPages ( $25 )
Seat 4: waynejr40 ( $26.25 )
Seat 5: jnr14 ( $13.5 )
Seat 7: pgaproart ( $26 )
Seat 3: mikeycanadat ( $26.25 )
Seat 10: CodeRedRuleU ( $56.75 )
Seat 9: will1083 ( $23.25 )
Seat 6: nopenopenope ( $9.5 )
Seat 8: muddy_buddy ( $24.5 )
scottb1212 posts small blind [$0.25].
mikeycanadat posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CodeRedRuleU [ As Ks ]
waynejr40 calls [$0.5].
>You have options at Table 12960 Table!.
jnr14 folds.
nopenopenope folds.
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
muddy_buddy folds.
will1083 folds.
CodeRedRuleU raises [$1].
scottb1212 calls [$0.75].
mikeycanadat calls [$0.5].
waynejr40 calls [$0.5].
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
>You have options at Table 12960 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 8d, Kh ]
scottb1212 checks.
mikeycanadat checks.
waynejr40 checks.
pgaproart bets [$0.5].
CodeRedRuleU raises [$1].
scottb1212 folds.
mikeycanadat folds.
>You have options at Table 12960 Table!.
waynejr40 folds.
pgaproart raises [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
>You have options at Table 12960 Table!.
pgaproart bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
pgaproart bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
pgaproart shows [ 7c, 8h ] two pairs, eights and sevens.
CodeRedRuleU doesn't show [ As, Ks ] a pair of kings.
pgaproart wins $11.25 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and sevens.
mikeycanadat has left the table.

Again, I have no idea what you have to do to get some of these people to fold their hands.

$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Tuesday, October 19, 17:51:08 EDT 2004
Table Table 11345 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 4: waynejr40 ( $40.5 )
Seat 5: jnr14 ( $13.75 )
Seat 7: pgaproart ( $38 )
Seat 10: CodeRedRuleU ( $52.5 )
Seat 6: nopenopenope ( $12.5 )
Seat 8: muddy_buddy ( $30 )
Seat 3: Ivanapolis ( $47.5 )
Seat 9: redanjel21 ( $24.5 )
redanjel21 posts small blind [$0.25].
CodeRedRuleU posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CodeRedRuleU [ Ah 9h ]
Ivanapolis folds.
waynejr40 calls [$0.5].
jnr14 raises [$1].
nopenopenope calls [$1].
pgaproart calls [$1].
muddy_buddy folds.
redanjel21 calls [$0.75].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$0.5].
waynejr40 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Kh, 6h ]
redanjel21 checks.
CodeRedRuleU bets [$0.5].
waynejr40 folds.
jnr14 calls [$0.5].
nopenopenope folds.
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
redanjel21 raises [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$0.5].
jnr14 folds.
pgaproart calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
redanjel21 bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
pgaproart folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
redanjel21 bets [$1].
CodeRedRuleU calls [$1].
redanjel21 shows [ 3s, 7h ] a pair of sixes.
CodeRedRuleU shows [ Ah, 9h ] a pair of sixes.
CodeRedRuleU wins $12.75 from the main pot with a pair of sixes with ace kicker.

I dont know why I called the river, I just wanted to see what he was betting me with, which is a REAL bad habit which didn't get helped out by me calling down and winning.

I'm so used to people respecting the bets and raises from Interpoker I'm really having to adjusting my play.

Yesterday up 17 BB
Today, down 35BB. I'm not on tilt but to tell the truth i'm nervous on every friggin hand. I seriously am thinking about moving up to the 1/2 to reduce the amount of bad beats. I've still got another couple hundred hands to clear my bonus, so, if that works out I will.

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10-19-2004, 10:24 PM Post subject: Re: I can see how you can have huge swings

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Today, down 35BB. I'm not on tilt but to tell the truth i'm nervous on every friggin hand. I seriously am thinking about moving up to the 1/2 to reduce the amount of bad beats. I've still got another couple hundred hands to clear my bonus, so, if that works out I will.

Bad beats are a sure sign you're playing the right game. Besides, they don't "respect" raises in the 2/4 game, so extrapolate from there what the 1/2 game is like... I have to tone down my game on some tables, as I like to be in there raising it up and firing away which is counter-productive when they call down your unimproved AKo with an unimproved 22.

Hand 1:
I like your river play. Ax 6x beats you too, so you're probably smoked.

Hand 2:
Raise the turn, unless you have a read. An aggressive player will run the same line with Ax. With a big pot, I want to kick out the chaser behind me and clean up outs if I'm behind.

Hand 3:
If he won't 3-bet you with 2pr abuse him with postion. Raise the turn and check the river behind unimproved.

Hand 4:
Amazing river call, I hope you had a read. I 3-bet the flop and proceed.

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10-19-2004, 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Yesterday up 17 BB
Today, down 35BB. I'm not on tilt but to tell the truth i'm nervous on every friggin hand. I seriously am thinking about moving up to the 1/2 to reduce the amount of bad beats. I've still got another couple hundred hands to clear my bonus, so, if that works out I will.

Moving up to 1/2 won't help you stop bad beats at all. The players on the 1/2 party tables(even the 2/4) are just as bad as at the .5/1 tables. I don't know why you would want to try and stop bad beats anyway. Bad beats just mean that people are trying to give you their money, but have been momentarily stopped. The more you recieve, the better the chances that you are going to make a LOT of money in your game.

Fnord

10-19-2004, 11:45 PM Post subject: Re: I can see how you can have huge swings

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Fnord, I can see how you can have huge swings if all you play is Party:

I play PokerSharks .5/1 6 max too.

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10-20-2004, 02:40 AM

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I remember the good ole' days of bonus clearing. It sucks. You've got to keep that nice fat bankroll with you so you don't go broke before the bonus clears.

It is scary and it's kind of tough to play correctly trying to clear a bonus. You need to get in there and make some moves, but if you get sucked out on a few big hands, you won't have the $$ left to clear the bonus.

elipsesjeff

10-20-2004, 03:29 AM

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Man I got reemed tonight on Pokernow:

Down 54 BB, if it wasnt for the 17 I won yesterday and the $100 bonus I could shoot myself in the foot. Definately not used to this lower-caliber player. Cant believe I had 3 straight Flopped Sets trashed and only one made flush/open ended straight draw over 400 hands, unbelievable.

Side Note:

Bonus whoring is awesome, its an easy way to build a bankroll.

You've got the monthly Interpoker Bonuses of $90.
You've got the Pacific Poker $100
Pokernow's $100 + $100 (hopefully)
Check N' Raise $300 (go 60% baby!)
Not including the other 2 Party Skins (sadly I'm already signed up for

)

Thats a nice $700 at least, not including potential Ultimate Bet and the others out there, I bet I can clear $1000 of just bonuses alone. Easy way to build the bankroll.

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10-20-2004, 04:22 AM

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Not sure what I can say, but all I will say is that those beats are probably because you're in such a micro limit game. Play higher limit and those will dissapear more and more seemingly.

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