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euphoricism

05-31-2007, 06:28 PM Post subject: I believe this is the most passive AQ ive ever played.

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But man, couldnt think of what else to do. Raising seemed foolish preflop and post. I was close to donking out the turn..

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q

2 folds, CO raises to $6, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 7

($24, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: Q

($36, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $6, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: J

($60, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $6, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $78

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NWNewell

05-31-2007, 06:55 PM

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I hope the CO was about a 1% PFR

I would have had to c/r the turn with your relative position. Get everyone to donate another BB.

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05-31-2007, 06:59 PM

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He was 3%, sorry shoulda added. But not many hands. This place is pretty donktastic.

Yeah.. c/r is alright. Donking out is alright..

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05-31-2007, 07:36 PM

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The best thing I can think of in this situation is folding the flop. But MAN thats weak getting 11:1. Course I could be drawing dead, and I'm almost certainly drawing tainted (other Aces, flush cards cutting my outs in half, other Queens). And then reverse implied odds to boot. I guess folding is the best option.

Sick.

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05-31-2007, 07:40 PM

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Nah I dont like c/rng the turn. I'll get insta 3bet by the sets and just called by AA/KK. The only benefit is charging the draws and really I just dont think we're that far ahead of them.

Bet folding the turn is an option. I kinda like that. (or I will for another hour when I make my 4th post in a row saying that I dont like it anymore)

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05-31-2007, 08:14 PM

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I will agree that the flop call is pretty thin. But with that turn, I think we have at least the necessary 20% equity needed for the c/r. But checking we essentially have the button by closing the action.

I don't think CO has the set and others would have likely already raised their set before the action got to you on the turn.

If cutoff has AA or KK, it may end up costing you. But how often will he have that. But now that I see you have him as a 3% PFR, possibly relatively often. With that in mind, I can't fault just calling down.

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05-31-2007, 08:43 PM

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I doubt AA/KK 3bets the turn, actually. He'll be scared of sets 2ps etc

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06-01-2007, 03:33 AM

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good to see my instincts are coming in line.

my first red flag said, "fold the flop." but then, i did the math, and i got 8:1 in a $24 pot...am i wrong? but, >8:1 gives you odds, if you think your A and Q are clean. so, its not that bad, just marginal, to me.

second flag, i thought was to bet out on the turn. were you more worried about a raise, or that it would fold the table, and cost you a potential call on a river bet? i say a small pot is better than missing a big pot, but what do i know? i guess i would have to fold if i got raised on turn. but, then again, arent we getting 9:1 if we get raised in a now $54 pot? granted we now need to think of how pure our outs are, and what would raise...so folding is prolly best if that were to happen?

as played, i couldnt see any suggestion other than c/c for river. could you have been rivered by QJ? thats the only thing i see other than you winning this hand.

2 questions, as i am practicing my thinking in limit:

1) was my math right? if not, please tell me where i went wrong, you had flop odds at 11:1.
2) how was my read...with no info? results?

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06-01-2007, 03:49 AM

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Chopper,

Food for thought. As a 3% PFR, he most likely has TT+ or AK. Granted, Euphor said that wasn't a lot of hands, but it's the best we have to go by.

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06-01-2007, 04:27 AM

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Chopper:

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Flop: 7 Club 4 Club 2 Spade ($24, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

The pot was $24 at the beginning of the flop, before any money goes in. Then CO bets 3, BTN calls. This makes 30, and its 3 for us to call. So 10:1

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06-01-2007, 04:29 AM

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And I did indeed win this hand. I have no fucking clue HOW I won this hand, it makes absolutely no sense for me to be ahead here with TPTK... but I did.

But notice how many combined outs the villains (probably) had against me. Its a miracle that TPTK held. This is my biggest battle lately, fighting the school.

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06-01-2007, 04:42 AM

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The flop call is debatable I don't care if you're getting 10:1.

On the turn we hit a perfect card, a non club Queen and we just c/c?

I like leading the turn, not for any particular reason other than I think we're ahead and I don't want the turn to check through.

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06-01-2007, 02:00 PM

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thanks for the math lesson. youre right, i was using the before betting numbers. i knew it was something simple.

and i dont often see/hear of TPTK holding at this level w/o some aggression to protect it, but hey, whatever worked.

obviously, you dont make this a habit.

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06-01-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopper

There's no way to protect our hand except for leading the turn and getting raised by the CO with a better hand. We're not buying any of our outs and we're quite a dog to improve. If we want to build a bigger pot then we c/r.

A c/r is sexy with the right reads. As played I take back my turn donk and make it a river donk.

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06-01-2007, 02:28 PM

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If the CO is a 3% PFR, don't call raises OOP with AQ off.

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06-01-2007, 03:49 PM

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with 7:1 pot odds I do.

Plus, with a small sample size, that number could be artificially low.

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06-01-2007, 03:56 PM

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That's true, but against a tight guy it's a reverse implied odds nightmare where you'd rather hit the Q than the A.

I 3 bet or fold OOP PF.

Flop call is fine by the math (even though I might raise that weak assed flop bet), but I think you almost have to thin the field on the turn, and I don't mind leading or check raising, either one.

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06-01-2007, 04:02 PM

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Yeah, I'll agree that reverse implied odds can make this hand a nightmare.

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06-02-2007, 10:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

He was 3%, sorry shoulda added. But not many hands. This place is pretty donktastic.

Yeah.. c/r is alright. Donking out is alright..

if he's a 3% PFR i probably muck the flop... I’m almost leaning to mucking PF but you got 7:1 to close the action so might as well take a flop... 3% is AA-99, AKs, lets see on the flop YOUR BEHIND TO THEM ALL! by the river you beat 99,TT, AKs... JJ, QQ, KK, AA your beat... honestly i think your call down was a spew... you actually going to call if you miss the turn? God i hope not!

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