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levans498
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04-21-2009, 05:37 PM
Post subject: I am so sick of this crap !
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Another day with 8 SICK RIVERS and 6 pots were capped on all 4 bets. OK I'll stop acting like " Phill " now and get to my question. At what level limit does the game get to the point you feel like it's a poker game and not a bingo game ? I am playing 4/8 here in a Baton Rouge B/M casino and it is a dang crap shoot. And 4/8 is the only limit game they have. I know there are deeper games in New Orleans , But just woundering if the 5/10 in New Orleans will be the same.
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LawDude
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04-21-2009, 06:28 PM
Post subject: Re: I am so sick of this crap !
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Originally Posted by levans498
Another day with 8 SICK RIVERS and 6 pots were capped on all 4 bets. OK I'll stop acting like " Phill " now and get to my question. At what level limit does the game get to the point you feel like it's a poker game and not a bingo game ? I am playing 4/8 here in a Baton Rouge B/M casino and it is a dang crap shoot. And 4/8 is the only limit game they have. I know there are deeper games in New Orleans , But just woundering if the 5/10 in New Orleans will be the same.
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Funny, I played 15/30 at Hollywood Park last night and there were probably 6 or 7 capped pots pre-flop and 2 or 3 post-flop in 3 hours. So perhaps the answer to your question is "at no point".
Look, you have to simply adjust to this. Obviously, play your big hands and prepare for bad beats, but also get into those pots when you have suited connectors. And stay out when you have hands that are easily dominated, like A4o, and are out of position.
The reality is that these tables increase your variance, but they will also pay you off big time when you hit a monster.
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levans498
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I agree 100% but what I am saying is the players drawing to the river holding 6/9 off suit with hitting only a 5 on the flop and hit runner runner 7/8 . to take the pot O yeah I was holding Ks & hit the 3rd king on the flop.
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KoRnholio
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Most live games are full of gambol, regardless of limit. Except when you get higher, people will be capping 76s for value multiway, and actually playing it well postflop rather than blindly chasing to the river.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
Most live games are full of gambol, regardless of limit. Except when you get higher, people will be capping 76s for value multiway, and actually playing it well postflop rather than blindly chasing to the river.
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I don't really like capping 76s (unless you see some great table image benefit from doing so), because you have no fold equity after the flop in a capped pot and therefore the hand isn't very valuable post-flop unless you hit the flop and you don't want to drive anyone out pre-flop with another raise.
But I see nothing wrong (and plenty right) with calling with it when there are 3 or 4 bets into the pot, as long as there are enough players.
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levans498
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ok I can see betting but he didn't only call the 7/6 pre flop & if the flop comes 5,Q,K rainbow do U still call when myself & the guy in #3 seat is capping it ? BTW I hit trip Ks on the flop & the guy in #3 hit A,Q .
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Not to be a dick, but seriously, stop bitching. You have to realize that most people at card rooms are there to gamble! That should make them your new best friends. Shit, I was at a local card room last weekend playing $1/2 NL and these donks were straddling for $20 hand after hand. You're going to get sucked out on, simply because some people are morons and will chase anything, regardless of odds. You're going to find games like this at every level, you'll just see less people doing it as the stakes get higher.
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The solution to getting 1 outered is a simple one. We just need to find the site that is the least rigged.
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
Most live games are full of gambol, regardless of limit. Except when you get higher, people will be capping 76s for value multiway, and actually playing it well postflop rather than blindly chasing to the river.
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I don't really like capping 76s (unless you see some great table image benefit from doing so), because you have no fold equity after the flop in a capped pot and therefore the hand isn't very valuable post-flop unless you hit the flop and you don't want to drive anyone out pre-flop with another raise.
But I see nothing wrong (and plenty right) with calling with it when there are 3 or 4 bets into the pot, as long as there are enough players. |
Just an off the cuff example dude. When it's a big gambol pot putting in that last raise with 76s in position can often get everyone to check around to you on the flop. And in those kind of pots, where someone was going to cap it anyways (and obv you would be calling it), putting in the last raise yourself doesn't do much harm.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
Just an off the cuff example dude. When it's a big gambol pot putting in that last raise with 76s in position can often get everyone to check around to you on the flop. And in those kind of pots, where someone was going to cap it anyways (and obv you would be calling it), putting in the last raise yourself doesn't do much harm.
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The table dynamics of the tables I often play at is that you don't get checked around to at the flop in a 4 bet pot. (You certainly do, however, in a 2-bet or 3-bet pot.) But if you can actually achieve this, I agree, that's a really good reason to cap with suited connectors.
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I agree 100% but what I am saying is the players drawing to the river holding 6/9 off suit with hitting only a 5 on the flop and hit runner runner 7/8 . to take the pot O yeah I was holding Ks & hit the 3rd king on the flop.
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i played a 3/6 game, locally, a couple of months ago. i pick up AKo UTG. i raise, the player behind me cold calls, the next player folds, the next 3bets, the next cold calls, the next folds, the blinds call, i 4bet (which i thought was a cap, but they allow 5 at a live casino apparently), and the original 3bettor CAPS. no one that was in folded, obv. 6 handed, capped pf.
i expect to see big pairs, another AK, maybe some other things that make sense.
i fold the turn when the action is 2 cold back to me (even though i had odds to draw to TP, i just didnt think my outs were clean.). pot continues to get jammed with all the draws. the only solid hand out was T7, which had a straight on the turn when the J dropped.
of course, T7 OFFSUIT was the 3bettor and capper!!! so, it all goes out the window when playing live and small stakes. get used to it.
ps. i had a run online a couple years ago at 50NL where my AA got cracked 6 of 8 times i was dealt them....in one day. all big pots, and at one point, 5 times in a row. the 2 pots i won were where i was in the BB and it folded to me. also, a sick run, but plausible. (tell me i didnt think the game was totally rigged)
point is: although your run sucked, it happens. and, you likely need to get past it mentally before you crap off even more money while reaching for your handkerchief.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Originally Posted by levans498
I agree 100% but what I am saying is the players drawing to the river holding 6/9 off suit with hitting only a 5 on the flop and hit runner runner 7/8 . to take the pot O yeah I was holding Ks & hit the 3rd king on the flop.
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So...you dont want to play big pots v's people who play like this?
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Just playing to improve.
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Purple_Pwner
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I wish I could find games like that..
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levans498
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yes LOVE to if I didn't get busted EVERYTIME . Now I play solid poker & have a tight table image . But still bye in for $250 totally and get unlucky everytime I play that game ! AND yes unlucky . Not gona sit here and type hands cause you don't want to see them anyway LOL was just crying about it . Will give LIMIT a break for awhile and go back to NL I think . More human of a game lol
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by levans498
yes LOVE to if I didn't get busted EVERYTIME . Now I play solid poker & have a tight table image . But still bye in for $250 totally and get unlucky everytime I play that game ! AND yes unlucky . Not gona sit here and type hands cause you don't want to see them anyway LOL was just crying about it . Will give LIMIT a break for awhile and go back to NL I think . More human of a game lol
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The variance in these games can be fierce, but think long term and bring lots of buy-ins.
The reality is, you can always move up and (despite my earlier comment) you will probably find at least a LITTLE less of this. But the flip side is that you will also have to play better poker, because you will see a lot more aggression post-flop, blind-stealing and restealing, bluffing, semi-bluffing, etc., and players will be reading you better.
So pick your poison.
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levans498
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I agree but when I typed this I was still steaming lol . I agree with everything you said . At the time I just had to cry like a little whimp to ya'll I am over it .
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LawDude
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OK, I was at Commerce yesterday and I played their 40/80 game. And I can say to you that if your dream is to have your raises respected, that's your game.
Just don't expect to make any money unless you catch cards or have great reads, though.
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levans498
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Again I agree . But to refer to a hand for EX. & I am sure U herd many just like it ! playing ring game ! I am in under the gun with pocket Qs , #8 reraisies , SB calls I reraise & # 8 caps it SB calls , Flop came Qs Jc Ah , rainbow . SB checks I bet and #8 reraises I cap after all . SB kept calling . TURN 6c . Same thing it was capped . SB just calling . RIVER 10c . SAME thing capped and SB called the hole way NEVER raised . and turned over 5c 9c to beet my trips & #8 turned over A Q . thats what I am saying . SB had no reason to be in the pot ! at no time did he have reason to call .
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levans. Please go put on a skirt if you're going to cry
Adjust to the game and pound them
kkthnxbai.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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levans498
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LOL I stoped crying that nite ! But I did cry alittle lol . I was just mearlly asking at what level does that crap stop ! I understand it will happen at every level . But what point does ppl stop drawing 5 9 off suit everyhand .
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levans498
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At some point ppl have to play POKER and not bingo .
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LawDude
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LOL I stoped crying that nite ! But I did cry alittle lol . I was just mearlly asking at what level does that crap stop ! I understand it will happen at every level . But what point does ppl stop drawing 5 9 off suit everyhand .
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I told you. 40/80 at Commerce. (Although even at that level, someone hit trips with 82o. But in general, the silliness stops.)
But I don't think you'd want to play 40/80 at Commerce. It's a VERY difficult game.
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KoRnholio
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As has been said, it happens at all levels. Lost a 25BB pot today with a set of aces against a guy who hit his broadway gutshot straight draw on the river. It hurts, but I still want the guy cold calling my cap preflop with KQo next time too 
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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alen519
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yeah~~~~~~~~~~~~
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alen519
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lol~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ragnar4
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Originally Posted by levans498
At some point ppl have to play POKER and not bingo .
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Man you don't WANT them to play poker.
You WANT them to play BINGO.
The fact that you're even sorta thinking about bringing this up just makes me think you couldn't beat someone who IS playing poker. They'll out think you, out play you, and have you betting when you should be folding, and folding when you should be betting.
Take the easy almost free money, it's the best kind of money out there.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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dont look now, but i see some regs coming back for the time being...
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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levans498
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AGAIN I AGREE lol . I love to play these types of games AT THE TIME I was still on tilt because it was going on 2 month slump .
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by Chopper
dont look now, but i see some regs coming back for the time being...
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Yep, I am back to grinding some FR LHE again. I put in a savage week on Paradise during their sit'n'go promotion, and it went pretty badly. So I am back to my bread and butter.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
As has been said, it happens at all levels. Lost a 25BB pot today with a set of aces against a guy who hit his broadway gutshot straight draw on the river. It hurts, but I still want the guy cold calling my cap preflop with KQo next time too |
You do, but with 25BB in the pot, he's got more than enough odds to call his gutshot nut draw down to the river.
We don't discuss how to play aces in multi-way pots enough here, but there are interesting aspects of pot control vs. thinning the herd with respect to this issue.
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