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Old 05-04-2006, 02:30 AM     Post subject: A hypothetical on seat selection #1 (permalink)  
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You've found yourself a 70/30 -- a superfish -- and to your suprise there are two open seats to his immediate left! Which do you take and why? Does it change between a loose table and a tight table? If so how so?
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Old 05-04-2006, 02:52 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I would take the one closest to him, unless I have a known nit over in the next seat. The pot size is sure to go up and attract a multi-tabler.
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If we were in the farther seat, is there some value to the fact that when villain is on the button, we're on the BB instead of the SB?

Cheaper for us to play more hands against him that way right?
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Old 05-04-2006, 05:10 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I want him dead on my right.

In Malmuth's Poker Essays, he goes into detail that you really only need 1-2 bad players in a FR game to make it profitable for everyone. In a 6 max game, you need only 1. He goes on to say that a player like that, 70/30 or other maniac, loses about 8 BB/hour on average. So, even if the other players are just as good as you, your all going to average that 1.5 BB/hour from the guy.

I also want him directly on my right so when he does raise, I can reraise with even more marginal hands to isolate. I really don't care who is on my left (with an exception to another 70/30) or who sits two to my right.


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This may be better suited to the 6max forum, where blind play makes more of a difference.

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On my right.

edit: my direct right
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 6max, directly next to him. I want the value he gives
full ring, im not so sure.
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 whats 70/30
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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whats 70/30
70VPIP or Voluntarily Put In Pot Percentage (preflop). 30 is PFR or Preflop Raise Percentage. A 70/30 is playing 70% of their hands, and raising 30% of the time they open.
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Miffed, why would this change in full ring? I don't want him on my left that's for sure
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 i thought that it was better to have loose fish on your left, because then they will cold call your strong raises more often and thus pay you off. 30% PFR sounds non-agg to me at 6max. to me, a "maniac" would be closer to 70/90.
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I found me a 70/7 yesterday.

I didn't have a choice to move seats, he was 2 to my left and it worked out just fine.

Re - this question, I am still new to all this stuff. But I would sit down right next to him. I'd rather be the one constantly reraising him, then have to make tough decisions on whether to 3 bet or cap marginal hands preflop against a decent player who sits between me and the fish.
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On my right.

edit: my direct right
Direct right? Are you talking right as in facing the screen? Or as if you were actually sitting at the table?
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If we were in the farther seat, is there some value to the fact that when villain is on the button, we're on the BB instead of the SB?

Cheaper for us to play more hands against him that way right?
I think if your rationale for putting a seat between you is that it saves you a bet when he's raising on the button, you're just gonna be defending your blinds and finding yourself involved in hands with crap cards OOP more often than you should be. Being in the SB makes your decisions easier.
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Meh. Nevermind I guess.
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:38 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Cash flows clockwise around the table...

In 6 max cold calling can get really annoying in a hurry because then you'll get some other dumb ass calling and after that the taggs know that they have odds to call with a lot of hands...

Therefore I would rather be able to isolate the bad players via aggression Pre-flop thus folding out the tighter players and now I have great position throughout the hand and I have great information on bad players before I have to act...

Basically, it’s all about trying to get 3 handed or HU with the bad players at the table and out play them as much as possible, when I say outplay I don’t mean bluff I mean get the maximum when ahead lose the least when behind…
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Youre now holding an ace, out of position, and have no idea what this moron has. Good luck!
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Sucks, don't it?
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Old 05-08-2006, 02:11 PM #21 (permalink)  
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Miffed, why would this change in full ring? I don't want him on my left that's for sure
I rethought this. If 70/30 is on the button when im sb im left really with only 3 betting options to isolate the bb and that doesnt always work and can get sticky. So at 6max i want to be defending my bb when the 70/30 has the button, with 1sb invested i can compete with a better range, and at 70/30 opp makes post-flop mistakes thats for sure.
At full ring im not so sure, i certainly wouldnt want him behind me but it depends how i want to play the table. If i constantly want to isolate then yeah id sit directly behind and 3 bet isolate his ass all the time. However, i may want to play larger multiway pots with such a loose player and adjust my range accordingly, maybe even stop 3 betting for isolation. If that were the case then i might take up the seat not directly behind him. How the table is playing would dictate thiss more i think.
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