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lonnie

04-07-2005, 11:31 AM Post subject: HU on the river. 6 bets enough with the 2nd nut?

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Another fishypoker.com hand. Apparently once you get headsup with an opponent there is no cap on the number of raises.

Going into the river round, I had

with a board of

:Ks:

Hands that beat me here are pocket K's pocket 6's or a lone 3. I'm thinking I get reraised with the pocket K's preflop. The 6's are possible but the chances remote.

There is already $42 (21 BB) in the pot going into the river round and my opp has about $38 left going into the river round. We reraise eachother until it is 6 bets, at which point I decide to just call. With so many limpers in the pot, I feel like I have enough money in the pot vs. the chance of him having a 3.

Should I have just kept hitting raise and got the rest of his money in if he wanted to? It would have been 26 more dollars at the most. How many bets is enough in a situation like this? This is a rare situation in that most online poker rooms have a cap even HU and it is rare for two opps to be that strong to want to raise like that.

Hand #34416394 at table: Table TH22
Started: Thu Apr 07 06:15:59 2005

jumangi is at seat 1 with $34.00
lhoney2 is at seat 2 with $164.00
RYGY is at seat 3 with $21.50
Bullet25 is at seat 4 with $58.00
NOVICE3 is at seat 5 with $49.24
sinsii is at seat 6 with $57.25
mrspink is at seat 7 with $94.00
getjet is at seat 8 with $17.00
Mallett is at seat 9 with $19.00
eraser06 is at seat 10 with $38.25

Mallett posts the large blind $1.00
getjet posts the small blind $0.50
RYGY posts all blind $1.50

getjet: --, --
Mallett: --, --
eraser06: --, --
jumangi: --, --
lhoney2: As, Ah
RYGY: --, --
Bullet25: --, --
NOVICE3: --, --
sinsii: --, --

Pre-flop:

eraser06: Fold
jumangi: Call $1.00
lhoney2: Raise $2.00
RYGY: Call $2.00
Bullet25: Fold
NOVICE3: Call $2.00
sinsii: Call $2.00
getjet: Call $2.00
Mallett: Call $2.00
jumangi: Call $2.00

Flop (Board: 6h, 3h, 3d):

getjet: Check
Mallett: Check
jumangi: Check
lhoney2: Bet $1.00
RYGY: Fold
NOVICE3: Call $1.00
sinsii: Fold
getjet: Call $1.00
Mallett: Call $1.00
jumangi: Call $1.00

Turn (Board: 6h, 3h, 3d, Ks):

getjet: Check
Mallett: Check
jumangi: Check
lhoney2: Bet $2.00
NOVICE3: Raise $4.00
getjet: Fold
Mallett: Call $4.00
jumangi: Fold
lhoney2: Raise $6.00
NOVICE3: Raise $8.00
Mallett: Call $8.00
lhoney2: Call $8.00

River (Board: 6h, 3h, 3d, Ks, 3s):

Mallett: Check
lhoney2: Bet $2.00
NOVICE3: Raise $4.00
Mallett: Fold
lhoney2: Raise $6.00
NOVICE3: Raise $8.00
lhoney2: Raise $10.00
NOVICE3: Raise $12.00
lhoney2: Call $12.00

Showdown:

NOVICE3 shows: 2d, Kh (full house)
lhoney2 shows: As, Ah (full house)

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m3laNcholy

04-07-2005, 02:23 PM

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I had I guy at fishypoker.com re-raise and re-raise and re-raise his last $35 (I had the second best full house) with a J high flush on a paired board...

Rondavu

04-07-2005, 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m3laNcholy

I had I guy at sportingbet re-raise and re-raise and re-raise his last $35 (I had the second best full house) with a J high flush on a paired board...

Yes, but the question is why did you re-raise and re-raise him with the second best full house?

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

gutshot

04-07-2005, 04:05 PM

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It's tough for me to keep reraising without the nuts unless I have an awesome read on the player/hand.

-jay

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m3laNcholy

04-07-2005, 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3laNcholy

I had I guy at sportingbet re-raise and re-raise and re-raise his last $35 (I had the second best full house) with a J high flush on a paired board...

Yes, but the question is why did you re-raise and re-raise him with the second best full house?

...because it was fishypoker.com. I'd normally say cause he "woke up" and raised the turn when the 3rd flush card hit but basically because it was in sportingbet. Also cause best full-house was AA and nobody raised pre flop but me.

Waking up on the turn (when a flush card hits) cost me a $70 pot yesterday at $2-4.

I have 44 on the button and call a raise (maybe wrong), three people to the flop. Flop is JJ4 2 hearts. First guy checks to the raiser he bets I raise other guys calls. Turn is the 8 of hearts (I say nice maybe flush draw pays me off, since I obviously have the bettor beat (save JJ)) They both check I bet the other guy raises, bettor folds (AK probably) I 3-bet, he caps. River is a 3 .We cap it again, he flips over 88. I say "nice catch" and go for a walk cause I'll probably go on tilt right about now (Had AA hit trips and lose 3 hands before).

Looking back, maybe I should have check called the river. I lost only to JJ,88 or an unlikely J4/3/8. If he played J/8/4/3 for a raise good for him. I'll take my money back from him soon... 88 could have folded when I raised the bettor (and you cant really put someone on PP of some middle card hitting the river) So that leaves us with JJ (the nuts I just pay him off), flush or AJ/KJ/QJ. I have both the latter beat thats why I kept firing at the river. And I cant really say that I should have slowed cause he showed agression. An ace-high flush or a J with top kicker might be enought to do this.

What do you guys think about that?

Fnord

04-07-2005, 05:37 PM

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I would stop at around 4 or 5. They play so loose at fishypoker.com that I would be more inclined to give him credit for a 3.

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Trikflow77

04-07-2005, 06:59 PM

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After he three bet me I would slow down, with fish I would say around half the tiem you hold the winner here, so its really up to you. I would only put in 4 bets here though.

Demiparadigm

04-08-2005, 12:15 AM

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I never go more than 4 bets on the end without the nuts. Maybe I am losing some equity

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Fnord

04-08-2005, 08:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

I never go more than 4 bets on the end without the nuts. Maybe I am losing some equity

Reads help A LOT. Also, it depends on what the nut is. If I have KK on a K6643 board I'm going a lot more than just 4 bets with the 2nd nut. After around 6 bets most players will have the nuts, no matter how freak it may seem and you should just call.

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lonnie

04-08-2005, 08:24 AM

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Quote:

with fish I would say around half the tiem you hold the winner here, so its really up to you.

That's exactly where I thought I was at. I figured any money I continued to dump into the pot would be on a coin flip basis. The only thing that worried me was that it only took 1 card to beat me, and not a 2 card hand.

I was watching a hand earlier today in which there were 4 spades on the board, including the A and K. So the nut was the Q of spades. I was watching these two on the river ...and they ended up making it 7 bets. I was wondering how the hell the guy without the nut could go that far.

Then I realized that I had the same situation going on with my hand. 1 card out of 52 could beat me.... I agree that I shoulda stopped at 4 or 5.

The only thing that kept me raising...the guy had to cold call my raise preflop -he didnt post and wasn't in a blind. He also seemed to speed up when the K hit, but that could have just coincided with the slow play.

lonnie

04-08-2005, 08:33 AM

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While I was in this hand, I actually thought about a hand that I posted on FTR way back in October in which Mike got on me for not pounding my opp on the river. I have now avenged that bet I missed out on Mike.

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