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terrorific

02-07-2006, 07:37 PM Post subject: How would you play this hand and what is you read?

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Sorry, I haven't figured out how to use the hand converter yet.
How would you play this hand and what would be your read. He is a LAA.

I will post the end later.

***** Hand History for Game 3507649772 *****
$2/$4 Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 06, 21:20:53 EDT 2006
Table Table 69796 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: DAC__ ( $117 )
Seat 7: bizzzybozzzy ( $112.50 )
Seat 8: hyperno ( $53 )
Seat 9: MonkSanuski ( $113 )
Seat 10: roywins ( $110 )
Seat 3: Dream2C ( $105 )
Seat 4: BonafideFish ( $87 )
Seat 6: mbbf49a ( $70.28 )
Seat 5: Louvster ( $78 )
Seat 2: rgmrgm ( $82.50 )
BonafideFish posts small blind [$1].
Louvster posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dream2C [ Jd Kd ]
mbbf49a folds.
bizzzybozzzy folds.
hyperno folds.
MonkSanuski folds.
roywins calls [$2].
DAC__ folds.
rgmrgm raises [$4].
Dream2C calls [$4].
BonafideFish folds.
Louvster calls [$2].
roywins folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, Qd, Ah ]
Louvster checks.
rgmrgm bets [$2].
Dream2C calls [$2].
Louvster folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
rgmrgm checks.
Dream2C checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
rgmrgm bets [$4].
Dream2C raises [$8].
rgmrgm raises [$8].
Dream2C raises [$8].
rgmrgm calls [$4].

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Xanadu

02-07-2006, 07:53 PM

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The preflop call is marginal, but I think fine if the raiser is very aggressive preflop. After that, I play it the same. I'm not afraid of the higher flush at all. The A high flush draw will almost always bet the turn. Can't really think of any hand this guy might have that would bring a bet on that flop, a turn check and going nuts on the river. I can't imagine it being the flush draw, so maybe 66?

thenonsequitur

02-07-2006, 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanadu

Without having read your post first, 66 was the first hand that came to my mind as well.

terrorific

02-07-2006, 10:54 PM

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Yep, he had 66. I knewhe didn't have the Ad or he would have bet the two pair. Only a PP made sense. Oh well.

***** Hand History for Game 3507649772 *****
$2/$4 Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 06, 21:20:53 EDT 2006
Table Table 69796 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: DAC__ ( $117 )
Seat 7: bizzzybozzzy ( $112.50 )
Seat 8: hyperno ( $53 )
Seat 9: MonkSanuski ( $113 )
Seat 10: roywins ( $110 )
Seat 3: Dream2C ( $105 )
Seat 4: BonafideFish ( $87 )
Seat 6: mbbf49a ( $70.28 )
Seat 5: Louvster ( $78 )
Seat 2: rgmrgm ( $82.50 )
BonafideFish posts small blind [$1].
Louvster posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dream2C [ Jd Kd ]
mbbf49a folds.
bizzzybozzzy folds.
hyperno folds.
MonkSanuski folds.
roywins calls [$2].
DAC__ folds.
rgmrgm raises [$4].
Dream2C calls [$4].
BonafideFish folds.
Louvster calls [$2].
roywins folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, Qd, Ah ]
Louvster checks.
rgmrgm bets [$2].
Dream2C calls [$2].
Louvster folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
rgmrgm checks.
Dream2C checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
rgmrgm bets [$4].
Dream2C raises [$8].
rgmrgm raises [$8].
Dream2C raises [$8].
rgmrgm calls [$4].
Dream2C shows [ Jd, Kd ] a flush, king high.
rgmrgm shows [ 6s, 6h ] a full house, Sixes full of queens.
rgmrgm wins $48.50 from the main pot with a full house, Sixes full of queens.

Demiparadigm

02-07-2006, 11:18 PM

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Fold preflop, fold the flop...

Your turn play was okay.

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Xanadu

02-08-2006, 02:50 PM

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I didn't notice the sucky odds on the flop. That's a fold. I'm starting to think that against a lot of players, capping the river is wrong here.

elipsesjeff

02-08-2006, 04:14 PM

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I fold preflop but the odds on the flop are what? 8.5/1? Thats more than enough.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, K

.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q

, Q

, A

(3 players)
BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 5

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.75 BB) 6

(2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below:
CO has 6s 6h (full house, sixes full of queens).
Hero has Jd Kd (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins 12.75 BB.

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Nehmer

02-08-2006, 04:29 PM

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I'm with Jeff on this one. Definate fold preflop, but the pot is big enough that I'm calling the flop bet.

Xanadu

02-08-2006, 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I fold preflop but the odds on the flop are what? 8.5/1? Thats more than enough.

Not a good counting day for Xanadu. Missed a couple bets.

Mike_Ann

02-08-2006, 05:59 PM

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KJs is not strong enough to call preflop raise. Since people Raise it AK or AJ. If it happen to flop your top pair you'll pay big time for it.
On Flop AQQ is very bad for you to chase you gut shot straight and your back door flush. Pair the board often result in full house. AQ Raise maybe? lot of way for you to fold here.

Demiparadigm

02-09-2006, 01:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Ann

On Flop AQQ is very bad for you to chase you gut shot straight and your back door flush. Pair the board often result in full house.

I agree with Mike_Ann

You are being laid 8.5 to 1 to chase a 10.75 to 1 shot to a hand that is not the nuts. It is very possible you are drawing dead with this flop in the "playing zone" for a raising hand.
(AA,AQ,QQ,QT and TT will have you beat if you hit your straight)
Even if you make the best hand on the turn, any reasonable raising hand has outs to beat you on the river, and if not, you won't get any action anyway... so your implied odds are not there.
(Any Q has at least 9 outs, AK and AJ have 7 outs to a tie or better, and any pair has at least 4 outs)
You are not closing the action on the flop and may be forced to put in extra bets.
There is really nothing going for you on this flop to make it correct to put any more money in.

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terrorific

02-09-2006, 02:52 AM

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I see all of your points and will learn from them. Lately I have been losing to a lot of boats. I will now start to respect pairs on the board more. Thanks for all your input.

elipsesjeff

02-09-2006, 06:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

You are being laid 8.5 to 1 to chase a 10.75 to 1 shot to a hand that is not the nuts. It is very possible you are drawing dead with this flop in the "playing zone" for a raising hand.
(AA,AQ,QQ,QT and TT will have you beat if you hit your straight)
Even if you make the best hand on the turn, any reasonable raising hand has outs to beat you on the river, and if not, you won't get any action anyway... so your implied odds are not there.

Because, you know, he could have QQ and flop quads because that happens everytime i flop a straight draw or flush draw so id rather not play the hand because what if he has a set or what if he has two pair he has a redraw blah blah blah; thats weak/tight thinking.

I get scared too when my opponent continuation bets after a preflop raise. I put him on a boat everytime.

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