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dompaq
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08-08-2006, 02:03 PM
Post subject: How would you have played this hand?
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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I unfortunatly have no idea how my opponents play
How would you have played this hand
PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 , 7 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB) T, T , J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Turn: (4 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
River: (7 BB) 2 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 11 BB
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Nehmer
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Up against 4-opponents in a small pot, I would have just checked through the flop. You are either way behind here or barely ahead since the TJ probably gives at least somebody 2-overcards and at least an inside straight draw of some kind and you will probably get multiple callers at your level that all might have different overcards to beat you. Basically you are drawing to 2 sevens to have any shot at this pot. Since you did bet the flop/turn, betting the river is just asking for trouble. You are almost certainly only going to get called by better hands and most worse hands(draws that missed) are going to fold. This is the perfect time to check through and take the free showdown.
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elipsesjeff
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I dont mind the flop bet. The turn bet and river bet are a little iffy. If you check behind the turn and there is a bet and an overcall you can safely give your hand away. But otherwise you have to take the freeshowdown here.
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bigspenda73
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Here is my assessment. It is hard without a read on your opponents, especially the 2 in the blinds, if I know they will not defend their blinds I raise here, 77s is a 5way pot can only win if you hit a set, however, if you can get this pot 3way with position you have a great chance to win.
Having said that, I think you played the hand well until the river. You got a cheap showdown with 3rd pair, take it and run. Let me ask you, was this a value bet? There is no way you are betting for value, you aren't going to get a Jack to fold here. I'd be awfully surprised if UTG+1 had a 10 b/c I cannot see him checking the river to you, it just wouldn't be a good play.
I can see UTG+1 having AK here and firing a bluff at you. That said, this is avoided with a check on the river.
If you played this hand this way against me I would put you on an underpair in an instant. Not to say my reads are that good, but I see this play a lot and it ends up being a weak jack or an underpair.
Welcome to the forum, I see you're chillin in the microlimits, I just got done with that kinda thing, good luck to ya. One word of advice for these micros, I have found that you're always in better shape than you think you are. Against good players in higher limits you have to give them credit, in these games, there is no credit due. Play aggressive, build big pots, and bet a lot. I cannot remember who told me this on this site but I will quote from memory: "Go ahead and bet, they'll call, it's what they do."
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elipsesjeff
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if I know they will not defend their blinds I raise here, 77s is a 5way pot can only win if you hit a set, however, if you can get this pot 3way with position you have a great chance to win.
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Thats -EV for sure. If you can't get it HU you shouldnt be raising 77 preflop, its a Breakeven play at best and you are beat on so many boards its nasty. Its equivalent to raising A7o or QJo, you are probably a slight favorite but you will know right away if you are ahead or behind and you shouldn't build a pot with such marginal holdings.
Plus, blinds wont fold getting 7.5-1 (or more) enough (like ever??) in a 6 max game that it is pointless.
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bigspenda73
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I don't see a limp here as +EV, 5 handed he will not win this hand his fair share of times. He will only win with a set which he flops like what, 15% of the time. If he raises and gets a free turn, he has an extra chance (if not two) to hit a 7, which would increase his equity. If he goes into limp/fold on the button he has given up to hitting a set on the flop. I wouldn't normally think this flop would check through five handed either, unless someone showed PR aggression. He's lucky he didnt have to face a bet.
The more I think about it, if you limp on the button you shouldn't lead at this board, too many players. I shut it down if I limp with a middle pair and get two overcards. You got a free turn card for some reason, but the players are such passive calling stations that you'll never win a showdown without making a set. You limped, you give up unless you hit a set. They checked through twice, you could have saved yourself 2.5BBs in the end.
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midas06
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I'd bet/fold the turn and take the free showdown on the river
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I don't see a limp here as +EV, 5 handed he will not win this hand his fair share of times. He will only win with a set which he flops like what, 15% of the time. If he raises and gets a free turn, he has an extra chance (if not two) to hit a 7, which would increase his equity. If he goes into limp/fold on the button he has given up to hitting a set on the flop. I wouldn't normally think this flop would check through five handed either, unless someone showed PR aggression. He's lucky he didnt have to face a bet.
The more I think about it, if you limp on the button you shouldn't lead at this board, too many players. I shut it down if I limp with a middle pair and get two overcards. You got a free turn card for some reason, but the players are such passive calling stations that you'll never win a showdown without making a set. You limped, you give up unless you hit a set. They checked through twice, you could have saved yourself 2.5BBs in the end. |
actually, 5-1 is the perfect amount of odds to see any pocket pair to the flop for set making value.
I think he wins the flop here more often than not as long as he folds when raised when checked to and he does have a semidecent marginal holding..
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bigspenda73
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Yep, 5-1 would be great, if he weren't laying 4-1.
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Ragnar4
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I'm guessing at .5-.10, you had one idiot that was UTG overcalling with A6, and the other guy either had a T, or a J, but wasn't willing to bet it.
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