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snowboard_31

01-30-2008, 04:50 AM Post subject: How to tilt

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 206

I know you guys would rather me not post resaults, but this was a cooler.

Seat 1: snowboard_31 ($7.30)
Seat 2: tryin499 ($3.95)
Seat 3: onedavie ($13.25)
Seat 4: RadioFqman ($6.95)
Seat 5: krrob ($20.80)
Seat 6: blondie21 ($12.30)
Seat 7: azules5 ($8.75)
Seat 8: polyn ($2.35)
Seat 9: dtl28 ($8.85)
krrob posts the small blind of $0.10
blondie21 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowboard_31 [Ks Kc]
azules5 calls $0.25
polyn folds
dtl28 folds
snowboard_31 raises to $0.50
tryin499 folds
onedavie calls $0.50
RadioFqman raises to $0.75
krrob folds
blondie21 folds
azules5 raises to $1
snowboard_31 has 15 seconds left to act
snowboard_31 calls $0.50
onedavie calls $0.50
RadioFqman calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [6d 7c Th]
azules5 bets $0.25
snowboard_31 raises to $0.50
onedavie calls $0.50
RadioFqman folds
azules5 calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [6d 7c Th] [4d]
azules5 checks
snowboard_31 bets $0.50
onedavie calls $0.50
azules5 raises to $1
snowboard_31 has 15 seconds left to act
snowboard_31 calls $0.50
onedavie calls $0.50
snowboard_31: nice set of tens
*** RIVER *** [6d 7c Th 4d] [7s]
azules5 bets $0.50
snowboard_31 calls $0.50
onedavie folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
azules5 shows [5s 8s] a straight, Eight high
snowboard_31 mucks
azules5 wins the pot ($9.40) with a straight, Eight high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.85 | Rake $0.45
Board: [6d 7c Th 4d 7s]
Seat 1: snowboard_31 mucked [Ks Kc] - two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 2: tryin499 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: onedavie folded on the River
Seat 4: RadioFqman (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: krrob (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: blondie21 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: azules5 showed [5s 8s] and won ($9.40) with a straight, Eight high
Seat 8: polyn didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: dtl28 didn't bet (folded)

I understand the theory of implied odds and playing random hands to win huge pots (such as this) but can this guy justify calling a cap pre flop?

1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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PapalRage

01-30-2008, 05:09 AM

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Join Date: May 2007

Location: Notre Dame

Posts: 309

actually, he capped it himself pre. so, he was obviously semi-bluffing

just a bad beat, don't let it get to you.

ndultimate.

Skeeno

01-30-2008, 05:20 AM

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Flush

Join Date: Dec 2006

Location: Norfolk, UK

Posts: 364

This stuff really gets to me . . because obviously most normal sane people fold 58s UTG. Tough to take but long term this clown will lose more than he will win . . . unlucky mate, make a note of him, he's going donate it back and more.

Hermann the Lombard

01-31-2008, 06:52 PM

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 270

Been there, done that...last night. I walked into several, but on the one I had in mind the villain cold-called with 96o and flopped Q96. At that point my KK looked pretty good. My hand was third best behind the calling station who limped and check/called to showdown with--you guessed it--AA.

Full empathy.

Oh, no! Not another learning experience!

snowboard_31

01-31-2008, 07:51 PM

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 206

yah sorry to be such downer/bad beat complainer guys, just havin a tough transition to Full Tilt's limit tables. Aparently for the stlye of play there (versus Titan, Mansion, Sun and Party) Im full of leaks.

Im not gonna let it discourage me though, and I will be posting frequently.

arborman

02-05-2008, 11:16 PM

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Why would you leave Titan and the rest of IPN for an American nitfest?

DrivingDog

02-06-2008, 10:33 AM

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Full House

Join Date: Jul 2007

Location: UK

Posts: 923

Villian is 23/25/1.5

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 4

.
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A

, 4

, Q

(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 4

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (8 BB) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Villian shows 88.

Ugh.

As much as this sucks, I suggest that we try to look at hands like these in a positive light. For example, this hand has three positive elements:

1) villian c-bets the turn after being called on the flop with what is now effectively fourth pair - two outs if he's behind. There's no decent draws available on the flop, so he would have to presume I was calling the flop only with KJ, KT types of hands (which don't really have odds to call) in order to justify the turn bet.

2) villian calls a turn raise with the same hand, despite the fact that Ax is probably a large part of my BB calling range. It's hard to imagine I have a 4, but it does seem likely I have at least an A or Q.

3) He does not have odds to call the turn raise with two outs, so presumably he plans on calling down UI on the river. In other words, 42/44 or 95% of the time I'm going to be taking down a 10 BB pot because villian can't fold a pair.

In other words, this villian is going to be sending me a lot of money in the long term. So even though this particular hand hurts, if I can sit next to this guy for long enough I will eventually be able to make it up and more.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

arborman

02-06-2008, 06:52 PM

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Think of it as dues paying. Hands like that reward and reinforce poor play on the part of bad players. Psychologically winning this hand will stick in his mind - he held on and won a big pot.

So he'll hang onto those middle pairs a hundred times now, and lose 90 of them.

The reason Hold'em is so appealing to so many players is because poor play is so often rewarded. If it wasn't the smart players would all be clearing 50BB/100 for all of a week, then be out-nitting each other after all the weak players had been cleaned out. The profitability margin of good play is razor thin: 2BB/100 is great over the long-term. That's a good thing, because it keeps the fish interested and coming back for more, though it sucks when you pay your dues in the form of bad beats.

Last night I was at a .5-1 table opposite from a guy who was either drunk or insane. Every opportunity he had he raised, every single hand for 2 hours, though he would slow down or fold later streets if there was an ace on the board (and he didn't hold anything).

When you play every single hand, you suck out a lot, you get 2 pair, wierd straights, river sets and everything else. You suck out often enough to break almost even if you are alert enough to fold when you are really obviously beat.

So over 2 hours of utterly insane playing, he had oscillated up as high as $300 and as low as $210, but he won enough hands, and chased enough people off of hands, that he stayed roughly even - when I logged out he had almost exactly what he had sat down with. Because Hold'em is a game of fine edges and most of those edges are lost in the kind of game he was forcing us all to play.

Early in the session he took me for about 15BB in a couple of wacky hands (he 3bet my AK with J4o, then rivered trip 4s after capping with second pair on turn). He basically put the whole table on tilt, it is hard to play against someone who is raising you with anything from AA to 72o, and you have something other than the nuts, because sometimes he had the nuts too.

I stayed at the table because it was a very interesting game all of a sudden. When you know absolutely that anything you play preflop will be raised and/or 3bet, it changes how you play preflop. Ditto postflop - when you know you will be raised and capped on the flop, your play changes. Nobody was able to adapt well, and I struggled myself.

Sadly the only nut hands I flopped were too obvious even for him to go wild with (i.e. A9s BB flops AA9) and I was only able to break even on the session, though one or two other players made out like bandits in the end, and everyone else funneled money through the maniac into the good players stacks.

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