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Old 08-17-2007, 07:28 AM     Post subject: How to play super-loose micro tables #1 (permalink)  
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 So, I came across this table today. Limit .25-.50 on party. Everyone had at least 20 BB, some up to 30 dollars in front of them. Big pots.
Seat 1) VPIP 18, PFR 12, post flop aggression >2
Seat 2) 32, 11, <1
Seat 3) ME
Seat 4) 44, 8, 2
Seat 5) 41, 1, <1
Seat 6) 84, 3, <1
Seat 7) 96, 13, <1
Seat 8) 30, 0.3, <1
Seat 9) 19, 7, 2
Seat 10)19, 8, 1.7

I thought it was going to be a heavenly session, all my favourite players on one table. But it wasn't... no need for bad-beat stories, and not even sure if you can class them as bad beats - on a table so loose someone often has the 36o nuts even after pre-flop is three-bet. The VPIP 90 player trebled his buy-in, then started complaining about his luck as it dwindled down to about 1.5x his starting stake...
So, how would you approach a table like this?
I tightened up a lot post-flop, but played a bunch more speculative hands pre. I didn't lose money by seeing too many flops, more commonly it was good hands being smashed by the river.
Thoughts? Can a table be TOO loose?
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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- move to seat 8 or 9

- You're approach seems ok to me.

- I would try to c/r flop if you think one of the more agg players will bet and you can try to trap the l/p players in between and make them pay dearly when you are head (don't wait until the turn because there is two big of a chance that the extra card will give one of the horde of opponents a better hand.)

- move to seat 8 or 9.

- But be more prepared to dump decent hands on later streets when suddenly raised by the <1 post flop agg players (i.e. TPTK and even two pair or better sometimes depending on the board).

- These games can/are very profitable. No such thing as too loose. But they are very volatile. When you are not running hot, you will only break even or even loose a decent amount, and it will drive you batty. But when you do hit your hot streak, the bucks that will be rolling in will more than compensate for the bad beats.

- move to seat 8 or 9
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Seats 8 and 9 suck ass?
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 Nice article, thanks Fnord! I think I can beat these tables...

Check raising, seems to be only an option when one of two other players is still in the hand. Otherwise I want to go out swinging on the flop if I hit, too much chance of a free card being taken otherwise.

Dumping hands, when the pot is big is it not usually worth calling one BB on the river unless you are absolutely certain you are beat (and even then sometimes)?

Seat selection. This one's interesting. Which seats do you suggest Tyler? and why? I'm not even considering blind steals, never going to be folded to late position. Is it better to have position on the aggressive players that will be in the occasional pot, or the loose passives who will be there most of the time? I wanted seat 8 to be able to watch the loose passives check to me post-flop, but that seat wasn't coming free anytime soon ... interested in your thoughts
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Seats 8 and 9 suck ass?
Not at all. Position on the horrible players is going to add like .75bb/100 to heros winrate alone.
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Seats 8 and 9 suck ass?
Not at all. Position on the horrible players is going to add like .75bb/100 to heros winrate alone.
Not really. With this many bad players it wont matter too much. However, seat 7 and then seat 8 are the best seats on the table.


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When the player pool sucks really hard, the trick is to find the tight players or at least ones that give selective action to put to your left.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:15 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I am stupid and was looking at the list in reverse order. If you are playing in my alternate universe where play proceeds in counterclockwise order, seats 8 and 9 suck ass and you are in one of the two best seats. Otherwise, everyone else is right.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:35 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I am stupid and was looking at the list in reverse order. If you are playing in my alternate universe where play proceeds in counterclockwise order, seats 8 and 9 suck ass and you are in one of the two best seats. Otherwise, everyone else is right.
For seat selection... you want the loose and aggressive players to your right (acting before you) and the tight and passive players to your left (acting after you) because that way you will have position on the players that are most often in the pot with you.

I usually give the Loose/Tight criteria priority over Agg/Passive... don't know if that is best or not...
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