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How To Play This Hand.... Loose Passive Table. Please Help
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Mike_Ann
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02-09-2006, 12:02 AM
Post subject: How To Play This Hand.... Loose Passive Table. Please Help
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3/6 pacific poker.
I just sat in this table. After couples of hands it's seem very nice with all the limper. But no good read on anyone just yet.
on C/O Seat holding JTC
early limp and 3 more players limp.
I limp with JTc. Button fold
SB call, Then BB raise 2 bet.
everyone call 7players (14sb)
the flop
Ts Td 7c
SB check BB ( original raise check) and it all check to me so I bet.
SB fold, BB call EP fold 3 others players call
5 players (19SB)
Turn is 7d
Everyone check to me. I bet and everyone fold......... 
should I check here??? give everyone free card? I hope for something on the river.
Since I have no good read on anyone. I though at least 2 players call but I was wrong. They all scare of 2 pair board...
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Warpe
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With a TT77 board, the fh is staring them in the face, so you're only going to get action if they don't think you have it. I like checking to the turn/river and raising if someone takes a stab at it.
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dsaxton
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This is an easy bet. If they aren't calling on the turn, how many more bets can you expect to collect on the river by checking the turn? If someone was chasing a gutshot or overcards, they generally won't hit on the river, and even when they do, they aren't going to put many bets in on the river. You're missing a bet against a passive player with a 7 here just in the hopes that several things fall perfect (your opponents don't have a 7, they have a gutshot or overcards, they hit on the river, and are willing to put in a couple bets against an obvious full house). I wouldn't even be surprised if one of your opponents called the turn with ace high thinking it was the best hand.
Basically, if you're going to get action at all, you maximize it by betting the turn.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
This is an easy bet. If they aren't calling on the turn, how many more bets can you expect to collect on the river by checking the turn? If someone was chasing a gutshot or overcards, they generally won't hit on the river, and even when they do, they aren't going to put many bets in on the river. You're missing a bet against a passive player with a 7 here just in the hopes that several things fall perfect (your opponents don't have a 7, they have a gutshot or overcards, they hit on the river, and are willing to put in a couple bets against an obvious full house). I wouldn't even be surprised if one of your opponents called the turn with ace high thinking it was the best hand.
Basically, if you're going to get action at all, you maximize it by betting the turn.
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Yeah, you posted while I was editing. I'd actually check on the flop first, hoping for someone to take a stab on the turn. Still, not much hope for a lot of action if nobody catches on a passive table.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
This is an easy bet. If they aren't calling on the turn, how many more bets can you expect to collect on the river by checking the turn? If someone was chasing a gutshot or overcards, they generally won't hit on the river, and even when they do, they aren't going to put many bets in on the river. You're missing a bet against a passive player with a 7 here just in the hopes that several things fall perfect (your opponents don't have a 7, they have a gutshot or overcards, they hit on the river, and are willing to put in a couple bets against an obvious full house). I wouldn't even be surprised if one of your opponents called the turn with ace high thinking it was the best hand.
Basically, if you're going to get action at all, you maximize it by betting the turn.
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Yeah, you posted while I was editing. I'd actually check on the flop first, hoping for someone to take a stab on the turn. Still, not much hope for a lot of action if nobody catches on a passive table. |
Checking on the flop is usually wrong too. It keeps the pot small and gives your opponents worse odds to call a turn bet. You are more likely to get calls for a half bet with 2 cards to come than a big bet with only one card to come.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
Checking on the flop is usually wrong too. It keeps the pot small and gives your opponents worse odds to call a turn bet. You are more likely to get calls for a half bet with 2 cards to come than a big bet with only one card to come.
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I understand your logic, but you don't think slowplaying this is a good option (without benefit of knowing what the turn card is)? In no-limit, I'd hope that an opp would catch a piece and bet, but does the fact that it's limit make that a lower EV play?
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