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Iwind

01-25-2006, 07:55 PM Post subject: How to play this best?

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Happens now and then, having an overpair, and not being sure if the opponent has AK or a better overpair. This opponent is pretty loose, so I'm wondering if this is good play or if not, what to change? But stuff about how to play this situation is general would be good as well.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4

, 7

, T

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

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STIdrivr

01-25-2006, 09:06 PM

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looks like he has QQ KK AA or A K. I think i would of played it like you in this situation. For future reference... the higher your pair is over the top card on the board the better. cause of the chance they have a smaller over pair also. But like in your case if they had pocket 10's they have you beat now or if they have 99 you wont get much money out of them. Also if they have over cards you wont get much money out of it unless they hit and have you beat. So basically with an over pair its hard to get paid off unless someone has the top pair or over pair smaller than yours.I think this is why Jacks are so hard to play cause unless you hit a set, if an over card comes then you have to worry but if no over card comes then what hands will put money in the pot that you beat. Not many, maybe a donkey hitting a 8 high flop with A 8 but that is rare. Usually you will be up against a set if they are willing to put money in the pot if they arnt bluffing. A lot has to do with reads when playing an over pair.Just some things to think about. Im not saying you should fold jacks but be careful playing them in cash games if you dont hit a set. I play more SnG's where the blinds mean something compared to your stack so JJ is easier to play cause you dont mind just blind stealing with them.

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01-25-2006, 09:26 PM

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Being out of position sucks don't it...

In six max I bet the flop and see what he does from there. If he calls, I bet/fold the turn. If he raises I call down.

In full ring, I probably just check/call the flop and turn and donkbet the river.

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Iwind

01-25-2006, 09:49 PM

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Good point with looking at the highest other card on the board, didn't think of that, but I see what you mean. Those 4 hands I was the ones I found most likely, but he could have had some other hands as well, there are players at the tables I play who caps with worse hands.

And yeah, being out of position sucks. And really find it hard to play these hands, TT and 99 can aslo be the same way. That guy had QQ in that case btw.

Here is another JJ hand, some times I checkraise to see where I'm at, if he 3-bets I'm usually behind. Here I thought I was ahead, that he had AK, but far from sure.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

.
6 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) T

, 6

, 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

euphoricism

01-25-2006, 09:55 PM

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Id prefer you either donk the flop or c/r the turn. Leaning toward donk the flop.

He's fairly unlikely to have hit that 9 after he raised preflop, and it MIGHT make him fold a better hand (pretty big maybe)

Edit: scratch that, check call flop, check raise turn. Dont donk this one. His raise on the turn is probably him picking up the backdoor flush draw, planning checking behind if he misses. He could have anything, definitely cant put him on QQ KK or AA from this.

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01-26-2006, 07:00 PM

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I would have check-Raise the flop. If he make it 3 bet I will fold. If he just call my check-raise then I'll play it down the hand

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01-26-2006, 07:06 PM

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Hand 1: Raise Flop, if 3 bet, conseder riasing again on the turn or calling down...

Hand 2: You're either way behend or way ahead... if he bets the river are you calling?

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01-27-2006, 03:13 AM

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Hand 1:
I'd certainly not check/call the flop. I'd try to push out SB, it sometimes saves the pot. If SB was on my left - I'd check/raise. Since he was on your right - I'd bet into preflop capper with hope that he'd raise and force SB to call two bets cold or fold.

Hand 2:

I'd bet on the flop and if he raises - I'd just check/call to the end (with given cards to come)
If he only calls, then I'd bet again on turn and check/call on river (with given cards)

Iwind

01-27-2006, 02:32 PM

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Thanks for feedback, my JJ is still negative, so I might still play it wrong way, because it should be a winning hand, right? My sample is very small though, so it doesn't have to mean anything. Anyways, another hand here:

3-bet preflop to isolate, is that good play?
Also check and folded, was thinking chances he doesn't have either king or ace are very small after his preflop raise, he's like 25VP/5PFR.
No reason to bet this flop, is there?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

, J

.
2 folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K

, A

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Ltrain

01-27-2006, 03:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwind

, J

.
2 folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K

, A

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Looks good to me. Not a lot of likely hands you beat against this opponent and the pot is very small.

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