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dizzle
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05-04-2005, 04:28 PM
Post subject: How to maximise winnings against loose real life tables?
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Join Date: May 2005
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Hi guys,
I play at my local casino, and I am a winning player there, although I feel that I am probably a below average poker player, the only game I play is 5/10 holdem, which at my casino is definitely no foldem holdem.
on average, full ring game, 8 people see the flop, and about 5 people go to the turn. There is usually one maniac, 3 or 4 weak tight, 3-4 passive loose, and maybe 1-2 tight aggressive.
The problem is that usually by waiting for the premium hands, the flops tend to scare people off and usually the pots are quite small when they are won, on the other hand, the biggest pots are the rag type flops, where everyone is trying to make their straight or flush draws, and literally people will chase any kind of raise to the river.
So my group 1 and 2 hands do not make me much money at all, but usually it's the J-9o or 78s type hands that win me the big pots, usually 200+ pots.
I am seriously thinking of limping in a lot of pots with marginal hands. As the "tight" players I have never see make much money at all. I don't see the advantage of waiting for the premium hands at all.
Anyone offer any experience in these type of tables.
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elipsesjeff
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You pretty much have the right idea. In loose multiway pots your suited connectors have much more value and the probability of winning your premium hands goes down. On these types of tables I would play every pocket pair from every position for 1 bet, I would also play Axs from any position for 1 bet and raise it in LP to build up your flush pot. I would play suited connectors from MP1 and beyond for 1 bet and cold call hands such as AJs and KQs much more often. I would also play K7s+ after MP2 for 1 bet as long as you got 2 limpers in front of you.
Only raise UTG with your premium holdings, AQ and TT and up. I would also be a lot less aggressive on the turn but you must value bet the river with TPTK. You may not win very many pots, but the ones you do win will be HUGE.
Also, dont fold the river in these situations to just one bet, as its a bigger mistake to fold a 15 BB pot you would have one than call 1 bet in a chance to win it.
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ChezJ
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loosening your starting requirements to include more suited connectors and AXs's out of position or against a raise is probably okay. but loosening them to include dominated crap like A8 or KT is a bad bad idea.
the way to increase your win rate at such tables is to pump your strong draws more often, as every bet you make is multiplied dramatically against so many players. don't worry about losing customers because as you said, they don't fold, and even if they do, the pot is already huge by the time you get the flop.
pick up small stakes holdem if you don't have it already. it is written exactly with these kinds of games in mind.
ChezJ
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honsheung
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
loosening your starting requirements to include more suited connectors and AXs's out of position or against a raise is probably okay. but loosening them to include dominated crap like A8 or KT is a bad bad idea.
the way to increase your win rate at such tables is to pump your strong draws more often, as every bet you make is multiplied dramatically against so many players. don't worry about losing customers because as you said, they don't fold, and even if they do, the pot is already huge by the time you get the flop.
pick up small stakes holdem if you don't have it already. it is written exactly with these kinds of games in mind.
ChezJ
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loosening your starting requirements to include more suited connectors and AXs's out of position or against a raise is probably okay.
if i am utg in a full ring table, i hold 910s ,will u limp ?
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Fnord
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05-04-2005, 07:51 PM
Post subject: Re: How to maximise winnings against loose real life tables?
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Originally Posted by dizzle
So my group 1 and 2 hands do not make me much money at all, but usually it's the J-9o or 78s type hands that win me the big pots, usually 200+ pots.
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This is an illusion. This game plays games with your head. Consider all the times you played a hand like that and bullet folded on the flop. The money in this game is made by AA/KK/QQ/AK and just about everything else is an attempt to keep up with the blinds. If most marginal winners never got dealt AA they would be big losers.
"AA wins a small pot or loses a big pot" is the biggest bunch of bullshit in limit hold'em. I've won some of my biggest pots with premium hands going boat over boat or by counterfeiting someone's ghetto 2 pair on the river.
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