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Iwind
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01-27-2006, 11:13 AM
Post subject: How is limit in combination with NL MTTs?
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I've been reading sites of pro players, and also seems like some of the players here are doing it, playing NL MTTs and limit as their cash game. So I am wondering if you find it hard to switch back and forth, and also to which extent and in which way limit cash games improve your MTT play?
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Actually a lot of players that I have talked to the play both say that Limit ring is the way to go and NL MTTs are the way to go so they play both in that since...
I personally don't play MTTs but I can see how NL would work much bettor for thus then limit would...
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When I have time, I play in the daily PP $10+1 NL tournament and do quite well. I approach the game as a limit game, except for having to pay attention to stack sizes, blind increases, etc. Also, you have the advantage of dictating odds to the other players depending upon your reads, and many limit concepts (isolation, free cards, blind stealing/defense) are of course applicable.
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Iwind
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I see, and I've played NL much longer than Limit, was just thinking if there are aspects of limit that would improve my NL MTT play as well, it would be great.
What do they actually mean by it being the way to go though? Limit ring gives better profit than NL ring, I've heard the opposite before, or just cause of the lower swings?
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Im a long time Nl player who turned to limit recently as a way to rush through bonus whores.
Ive changed to playing limit full ring as my main income while paying for NL mtts when i have big days or if their are big guarentee mtts.
For me it was simply the fact that i could play for big pots (a pot at 3/6 5/10 looks big to me) and know that if i got sucked out on id lose a few bets that was it, not whole stacks as was tnding to happen at 50/100NL. Also i found that players upto 5/10 just sucked hugely, there was just as much to be made playing 3/6 5/10 as their was 50/100NL imo. SO making profit wasnt difficult.
Really, if i look back i changed because i had a nasty downswing of always getting outdrawn all in so limit looked good in that i lost less to donks (stupid i know)
I intend to stay with this plan as i think it best suits me as i dont play sngs and only play mtts when the prizes are worth winning in comparison to my roll
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Originally Posted by Iwind
I see, and I've played NL much longer than Limit, was just thinking if there are aspects of limit that would improve my NL MTT play as well, it would be great.
What do they actually mean by it being the way to go though? Limit ring gives better profit than NL ring, I've heard the opposite before, or just cause of the lower swings?
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Actually limit swings can be worse then NL swings at times, you just don't loose it all in one hand you slowly leak it out over a bunch of hands which can emotionally be a lot more painful... A solid player in NL can keep his swings down to a min by giving there opponents the worst odds possible to draw and being able to lay down a hand when you know your beat…
As a limit players “it’s only one more bet for me to see my draw” mentality with or without the odds to do so. On the river there have been many occasions that the pot was so big I knew I had probably no chance of winning but still had to call, which sucks in NL you can make a fold for the bet there in the same spot…
I think the big difference in the games is that Limit you just get people that will draw at any two and will leak money slower and can play longer, where nl if they played the same they go broke in about less then an hour... Bad players use the name "Limit" as a way to manage their outcomes of negative cash flow...
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01-27-2006, 05:56 PM
Post subject: Re: How is limit in combination with NL MTTs?
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For cash games, I play exclusevly limit, and for MTTs I play exclusively no limit.
I think it has to do with the balance of how much luck I like to deal with in the very short-term. I don't like no-limit cash games because I find it much more emotionally draining to lose my whole stack to a single bad beat than to lose an equivalent amount over 20 hands of bad beats in limit. That, and I think that limit is less intuitive and more deceitful to bad players than no-limit, so it's easier to find suckers playing limit (this could just be a bias, since the last time I played no-limit cash games I was a sucker myself).
When it comes to tournaments though, the buy-in is the same whether you are playing limit or no-limit. So if I lose my whole stack in a tournament I just lose my buy-in. So in that respect playing any MTT (limit or no-limit) is similar to playing a hand in a limit cash game (it's just that 400 people limped preflop, and there are 2000 streets).
The reason I don't play limit MTTs is simply because I am much better at no-limit MTTs because I have so much more experience playing them. I've been considering dabbling in limit MTTs, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I don't plan on ever going back to no-limit cash games though.
As for you original question about how your limit cash game can improve your no-limit MTT game, I don't have a concrete answer for you, but I do believe that the two games complement each other well. It just seems that the more diversity you experience playing poker, the more coherent of an overall poker logic system you can construct.
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