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08-20-2006, 01:40 PM
Post subject: How to get good at Omaha HI?
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Is it just all about nutpendling? Any good guides to omaha? What to do postflop? Im talking about omaha hi...
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Always draw to the nuts.
Any kind of suited connectors will always get you burnt, even QJs is pretty useless. You wanna be drawing to the A-high flush, and the higher end of the boat, people with lower boats get burned regularly. Always count your outs, and look at your opponent's outs - a pot raise on the flop will more often than not mean top/middle set. Make people pay a lot for their draws, usually with pot raises. Look out for redraws, like As Qs Ts Th on a board of Td 8s 4s. You not only have top set, but the nut flush draw. The main tip for PLO (At low-stakes anyway), is to be able to lay down huge hands. If you pot your nut flush on the flop and the turn, and the river pairs the board, be VERY wary, and be prepared to lay it down if your opponent pushes. Any kind of a draw on a paired board is useless.
The starting hand odds are much slimmer in PLO than in Hold'em. Something amazing like As Ac Ks Jc is only 2/1 against a random opponent hand. But still, excercise good starting hand selection. Play hands where all 4 cards work together (All 6 combinations make something decent). Avoid "danglers" if possible (AsKsKc2h), the 2h being a dangler. If not (Like with that hand), get in cheaply as possible.
That's just a collection of random stuff off the top of my mind. If you've got any decent experience, you should be able to pick up Omaha within a month of playing it. I've personally found that the swings in Omaha are bigger than in Hold 'Em, so have a lot of buyins ready.
I know how unstructured this post was, but I can't think of a way of putting it better. Omaha, for me, has less psychology and mind games than NL Hold 'Em, it's more a game of correct drawing odds, and solid mathematical play.
Hope this helps, somehow.
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Stripclubjunkie
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Originally Posted by Ash256
Always draw to the nuts.
Any kind of suited connectors will always get you burnt, even QJs is pretty useless. You wanna be drawing to the A-high flush, and the higher end of the boat, people with lower boats get burned regularly. Always count your outs, and look at your opponent's outs - a pot raise on the flop will more often than not mean top/middle set. Make people pay a lot for their draws, usually with pot raises. Look out for redraws, like As Qs Ts Th on a board of Td 8s 4s. You not only have top set, but the nut flush draw. The main tip for PLO (At low-stakes anyway), is to be able to lay down huge hands. If you pot your nut flush on the flop and the turn, and the river pairs the board, be VERY wary, and be prepared to lay it down if your opponent pushes. Any kind of a draw on a paired board is useless.
The starting hand odds are much slimmer in PLO than in Hold'em. Something amazing like As Ac Ks Jc is only 2/1 against a random opponent hand. But still, excercise good starting hand selection. Play hands where all 4 cards work together (All 6 combinations make something decent). Avoid "danglers" if possible (AsKsKc2h), the 2h being a dangler. If not (Like with that hand), get in cheaply as possible.
That's just a collection of random stuff off the top of my mind. If you've got any decent experience, you should be able to pick up Omaha within a month of playing it. I've personally found that the swings in Omaha are bigger than in Hold 'Em, so have a lot of buyins ready.
I know how unstructured this post was, but I can't think of a way of putting it better. Omaha, for me, has less psychology and mind games than NL Hold 'Em, it's more a game of correct drawing odds, and solid mathematical play.
Hope this helps, somehow.
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It sure did... Been watching 1k/2k limit and 200/400 pot limit omaha on fulltilt...Sick 
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WhooFleuryScores
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Do some reading.....Mastering Omaha 8 by Lou Krieger is solid.Also I find Omaha 8 to have less variance then regular Omaha (if you lock up low you have a quarter of the pot at worst).
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Read Capelleti's book on Omaha, pretty good.
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Super System 2 is also a good book for omaha.
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Always assume that someone has a nearly identical hand as you -- that is, if you AK32 in a four-way pot, it is highly likely that most of your hand combinations are out -- someone probably has AK, A3, 32,etc.
When you are multiway and there is a possible straight on the board, don't be so eager to reraise even with the nut straight if there is a flush draw out there, unless you also have big redraws (top set, nut low draw, or nut flush draw).
When there is a possible straight on t
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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don't be so eager to reraise even with the nut straight
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Because you need to wait to until after they miss their draw to not get paid by them? It is the same as in Hold'em, he with the best hand with the best pot equity shall bet and make everyone else pay to outdraw him.
I think what you should say is, straights suck ass in omaha and aren't as good as we would like them, as usually someone has a set and someone else has a flush draw. But that doesnt mean that while you have the nuts you shouldn't bet it, especially when you'll likely only get 1/2 the pot you need to get all the dead money from the low hunters as you can because they won't pay you off when they miss their draw.
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here is a website that I like -
http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/
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What about hands where they're three of one suit like: 10sJsQsKh, just dumb them coz you have lost one of your potential outs?
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What about hands where they're three of one suit like: 10sJsQsKh, just dumb them coz you have lost one of your potential outs?
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One potential out isn't a reason to dump a hand. The biggest problem with that hand would be drawing to the 3rd nut flush  But the high card strength and connectedness of TJQK is so strong that it way overcomes those drawbacks.
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What about hands where they're three of one suit like: 10sJsQsKh, just dumb them coz you have lost one of your potential outs?
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One potential out isn't a reason to dump a hand. The biggest problem with that hand would be drawing to the 3rd nut flush But the high card strength and connectedness of TJQK is so strong that it way overcomes those drawbacks. |
Allright just all my stupid 
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elipsesjeff wrote:
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don't be so eager to reraise even with the nut straight
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Because you need to wait to until after they miss their draw to not get paid by them? It is the same as in Hold'em, he with the best hand with the best pot equity shall bet and make everyone else pay to outdraw him.
I think what you should say is, straights suck ass in omaha and aren't as good as we would like them, as usually someone has a set and someone else has a flush draw. But that doesnt mean that while you have the nuts you shouldn't bet it, especially when you'll likely only get 1/2 the pot you need to get all the dead money from the low hunters as you can because they won't pay you off when they miss their draw.
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The problem of reraising with the nut flush after the flop when you have no room for improvement is that someone may be freeriding you - he has the same nut straight but has options to improve to a better str8 or a flush.
In this case you are playing for either half the pot or nothing, not a great situation to put your money in
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It is the same as in Hold'em, he with the best hand with the best pot equity shall bet and make everyone else pay to outdraw him.
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I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. 
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It is the same as in Hold'em, he with the best hand with the best pot equity shall bet and make everyone else pay to outdraw him.
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I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. |
Explain please...
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Omaha is a game of redraws. Im never putting a lot of money in on the flop without a good redraw to a better hand. There are situations where you can even fold the nuts on the flop and be correct to do so. I nut straight vs top set and a FD is in bad shape.
Another thing to learn is understand the key differences between HU and multiway pots. They play a lot differently.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
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Also; for the Omaha 8 grinders remember the goal of the game is to scoop or 3/4 the pot not play for 1/2. And avoid these top traps:
1) Don't overplay the nut low when you have no high draw or counterfeit protection.
2) Don't overplay straights when you have no redraws.
3) Don't chase on the flop and esp the turn.
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Im talking about omaha hi...
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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Stripclubjunkie
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Im talking about omaha hi...
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But its nice too know stuff about other games...
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ihategnomes
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It is but everyone has a sone a horrible job with identifying what form of omaha in the topic.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
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