www.flopturnriver.com

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Already Registered? Username: Password: Remember Forgot Password
Tweet

How do you play this hand?

LinkBack

Thread Tools

Display Modes

scgolfer

09-07-2004, 10:52 PM Post subject: How do you play this hand?

#1 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 629

CARDSON
What do you put him on (relatively new to table so no read)
GAME #584805852 - $3/$6 TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2004/09/07-16:10:43 (CST)
Table "Mabua" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: These men ($135.00 in chips)
Seat 2: tadams ($220.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Jackalmaniac ($125.50 in chips)
Seat 4: scgolfer ($263.00 in chips)
Seat 5: conehead1 ($79.00 in chips)
Seat 6: jc060896 ($54.00 in chips)
Seat 7: DexterB ($84.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Z Red Barron ($35.00 in chips)
Seat 9: shamani ($340.00 in chips)
Seat 10: RoscoKid ($141.00 in chips)
jc060896: Post Small Blind ($1)
DexterB : Post Big Blind ($3)
Dealing...
Dealt to scgolfer [ Tc ]
Dealt to scgolfer [ Ts ]
Z Red Barron: Call ($3)
shamani : Fold
RoscoKid: Fold
These men: Call ($3)
tadams : Fold
Jackalmaniac: Fold
scgolfer: Raise ($6)
conehead1: Fold
jc060896: Raise ($8)
DexterB : Call ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call ($6)
These men: Fold
scgolfer: Call ($3)
*** FLOP *** : [ 6c 5c Th ]
jc060896: Bet ($3)
DexterB : Fold
Z Red Barron: Call ($3)
scgolfer: Raise ($6)
jc060896: Raise ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call ($6)
scgolfer: Raise ($6)
jc060896: Call ($3)
Z Red Barron: Call ($3)

Im putting him(jc) on AA KK QQ JJ or maybe A10 pocket 6's or 5's or flush draw right?

*** TURN *** : [ 6c 5c Th ] [ 8h ]
jc060896: Bet ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call ($6)
scgolfer: Raise ($12)
jc060896: Call ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call ($6)

OK now he has to have one of those right?

*** RIVER *** : [ 6c 5c Th 8h ] [ 7h ]
jc060896: Bet ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call All-in ($2)
scgolfer: Raise ($12)
jc060896: Raise ($12)
scgolfer: Raise ($12)
jc060896: Call All-in ($3)

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!

Humphrind

09-07-2004, 11:13 PM

#2 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

I might be inclined to call the river bet, not raise. You even sounded sure. "SOmeone has to have this, right? So why are you re-raising? But how likely is it that one of these players held onto 2

s or a 9 for that long? But as sure as I say that, someone will flip over a 93o.

I'll guess you are up against a tripped pair (obviously lower) and a straight. (99? x9

s ? or some medium suited connector) But that is jsut a guess, nothing more.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Fnord

09-07-2004, 11:17 PM

#3 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Wow, that river sucks. Given that everyone is so close to all-in by the river, I play it the same. Players get silly when their chips run low.

With less than 10BB in front of him, I wouldn't be so certain jc060896 is on AA/KK/QQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

09-07-2004, 11:18 PM

#4 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

I might be inclined to call the river bet, not raise. You even sounded sure. "SOmeone has to have this, right? So why are you re-raising? But how likely is it that one of these players held onto 2

s or a 9 for that long? But as sure as I say that, someone will flip over a 93o.

WEAK!

Z Red Barron is out of the picture, so our only concern here is if we have jc060896 beat more than 50% of the time. Up until his 3-bet, I'd have to say yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-07-2004, 11:55 PM

#5 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 629

Pot: $114 | Side pot 1: $38 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 6c 5c Th 8h 7h ]
These men lost $3 (folded)
tadams didn't bet (folded)
Jackalmaniac didn't bet (folded)
scgolfer bet $57, collected $3, net -$54 (showed hand) [ Tc Ts ] (three of a kind, tens)
conehead1 didn't bet (folded)
jc060896 bet $54, collected $152, net +$98 (showed hand) [ 9s 9d ] (a straight, six to ten)
DexterB lost $9 (folded)
Z Red Barron lost $35 (showed hand) [ Qd Td ] (a pair of tens)
shamani didn't bet (folded)
RoscoKid didn't bet (folded)
-----------------------------------------------------

The fricken guy catches runner runner(gutshot) to win. Nice huh! I thought the same thing Fnord, with so few chips he could have anything from high pocket to flopped two pair, and was going to win or quit.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-08-2004, 01:12 AM

#6 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

I had a feeling a bad beat story was comming...

Wow, I like his flop cap.

You just can't put a guy like this on a hand, ever. Value bet strong hands, showdown medium strength hands and accept that weird shit like this will go down every now and then.

BTW: It would be nice to see more interesting decision hand posts and fewer bad beat posts. Hands like this are almost counter-productive to learning how to play maximum +EV poker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-08-2004, 02:06 AM

#7 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 629

I agree Fnord, but if have noticed I havent been doing it anymore(posting bad beats) But I wanted to know If I was too aggressive on this or actuall ok? And whether others would do it differently.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-08-2004, 03:50 AM

#8 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

But I wanted to know If I was too aggressive on this or actuall ok? And whether others would do it differently.

Rest assured, playing top set like a maniac on tilt after doing a line of cocaine is not a leak. Playing it any slower most certainly is cause for concern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Toasty

09-08-2004, 08:23 AM

#9 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Apr 2004

Location: England UK

Posts: 1,522

I'd slow down on the river (Can't bring myself to raise with a 3 flush and a straight on the board), but the rest of the hand you played just fine.

Harsh river card esp in a pot this size

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

Fnord

09-08-2004, 05:59 PM

#10 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

One other thought...

"Could I have won more on this hand?" and "Could I have lost less on this hand?" are equaly valid questions. Given the nature of poker where you can "play it right and have it go all wrong" it's natural to want to ask the later question. Yet, I see the better players more often asking the first question. Missed value bets are a leak too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-08-2004, 06:59 PM

#11 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Missed value bets are a leak too...

This is very true and I won't argue with you for a second on this.

But on this board, with 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush on the board, can you really see raising after the river "value"? I say there are too many hands that can beat me, and I call.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Fnord

09-08-2004, 07:23 PM

#12 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

But on this board, with 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush on the board, can you really see raising after the river "value"? I say there are too many hands that can beat me, and I call.

Because you only care about one hand (the other guy is already all-in), and he's been representing a hand you clearly have beat all the way. Betting for value means you're usually good, not 100%. This is a very freakish hand.

IMHO, knowing when to bet/raise non-nutish hands on the river is one of the differences between good and great players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Toasty

09-08-2004, 07:23 PM

#13 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Apr 2004

Location: England UK

Posts: 1,522

Betting isn't a problem but I don't think I would have the best hand enough of the time to warrant capping this board when someone has already 3-bet.

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

Fnord

09-08-2004, 07:27 PM

#14 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

Betting isn't a problem but I don't think I would have the best hand enough of the time to warrant capping this board when someone has already 3-bet.

The only reason I would consider it is that he's nearly all-in, so it's only $3 more and his 3-bet standards are probably significantly lower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-08-2004, 07:52 PM

#15 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

OK, first I have to say that I am gathering information to get better at limit. So thank you for all the insight you have given, and will give to me by talking about this hand. Here's another arguement I have, but this is all just to get a better understanding of how to play this and why we are raising / calling at certain points.

But here's where I'm still needing clarification. We are still worried about Red Baron (the all-in guy) because he didn't go all in until the river. If we call, it's only $8 in the side pot. The only way we don't worry about him is if we cap the river, like we did. Even then we still have most of the money in the main pot, so we kinda have to worry about him a little bit. But also, the only reason we'd cap the river is if we had the nuts or near nuts, and in this case, we are still pretty vulnerable.

The guy we cap the river with, jc, will only cap it if he has us beat. Again, because of the board. He has been representing a strong hand, but for him to play it strong at the river tells us we may be beat. I think the only wrong move here would be to fold. And to call or re-raise is all just opinions. So why is re-raising is better than calling? I think jc played his 9s ok. The board only had 1 overcard and he was just being aggresive. It's tough to put him on pocket 9s, but in hindsight, I can justify all of his moves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

IMHO, knowing when to bet/raise non-nutish hands on the river is one of the differences between good and great players.

I agree half-heartedly. If you are going to raise / cap non-nuttish hands, you need to be sure you have the other person beat at least. What you lack with cards you need to make up for with your read on the other person.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Fnord

09-08-2004, 08:03 PM

#16 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

The guy we cap the river with, jc, will only cap it if he has us beat.

Bad assumption. He's on a short buy-in and nearly all-in. He's probably inclined to throw in his chips with any pretty good hand. I see it all the time. Previous hands would probably help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

Again, because of the board. He has been representing a strong hand, but for him to play it strong at the river tells us we may be beat. I think the only wrong move here would be to fold. And to call or re-raise is all just opinions. So why is re-raising is better than calling?

Because he's been (a fishy player?) representing a made hand all the way when we had the best possible made hand on the flop. Up until his 3-bet I don't see any reason to think he has us beat more than 30%ish of the time. Fearing the backdoor flush with that action is silly, leaving us to consider the odds he has a 4 or 9.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

If you are going to raise / cap non-nuttish hands, you need to be sure you have the other person beat at least. What you lack with cards you need to make up for with your read on the other person.

Sure is a long way away from profitable. I don't need to be sure, he just needs to call/re-raise with a worse hand often enough for it to be profitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

johnnyawe

09-08-2004, 08:31 PM

#17 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Location: San Francisco

Posts: 1,064

I would have played it the same way. I just didn't see any way that one of them could have had a 9 or 2 hearts.

Krapp

09-08-2004, 09:00 PM

#18 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 313

I guess my biggest issue here is that you have 2-loons betting and calling into you with weak hands. If they are liable to make these weak plays they are equally as liable to hold any 2-cards to the river. Now from the betting they obviously got something that doesnt suck real bad.

(1) Preflop betting. Ok maybe they got pairs, 2-cards anything above a ten, small connected suitors, big connected suitors. Most likely they should have big cards or big pairs. But you see lots of crap betting on the preflop from just about anyone whos loose/aggressive. I cant conclude that everyone Im playing against are betting the 'right' cards.
(2) Flop betting. OK Jc leads out again. Most likely trips, or high pair. Less likely suited club connectors (maybe 10/9, 10/8, 10/7), and med pairs. Since he has 9/9, it seems hes hoping you have 2-overcards (AK) or lower pairs, and wants to take everyone out of the pot. Since you raise and re-raise, the opps should have a clue and either drop or at least check the turn.
(3) Turn betting. Jc leads out again. Ok now the guy is an official nut. Z Red is also a nut going this far. Maybe HtoH either one might have a case for bluff potential, but betting this way with 2 people just loses money fast. In the back of my head I got to think maybe a straight draw or made straight. Jc is beat in his mind since you capped him on the flop and he didnt re-raise you on the turn. I guess they have so much money invested so far they will play to the bitter end. By all rights you should feel confident they are both beat and cap the pot.
(4) River betting. Ok bad card to have turn-up. 44s are not likely... But based on these opps bad playing (already commited to the pot by the flop betting with losing hands), I dont know how you can feel confident your hand is the best at this point. You have 100% confidence on the turn but not on the river. What can beat you (assuming opps sucks and got drawn in by the flop).
-AK/AQ/AJ(hearts): I wouldnt put it passed them on them preflop or flop betting. They see a 4rth heart on the turn.... I mean if they can stay in with Q10, then AK(hearts) is ok too.
-Any heart with a 6 or 5
-7/9(clubs)

Since these opps are loony, I would be more inclined to call (3-way not HtoH) then to re-raise. With any random mutil-way hand and simliar 5-cards on the board, you cant be confident your hands the best. Obvious with skilled players out there, you wouldnt be reaching the river. However the loose/aggressive/passive players, when you get to the river and theres alot of cards that can beat you, i think its dubious play to re-raise confidently (as though you have the winning hand)

Fnord

09-08-2004, 09:20 PM

#19 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krapp

Since these opps are loony, I would be more inclined to call (3-way not HtoH) then to re-raise.

I agree, but that's not the case here. Only the EV of the side pot is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krapp

However the loose/aggressive/passive players, when you get to the river and theres alot of cards that can beat you, i think its dubious play to re-raise confidently (as though you have the winning hand)

We're not talking TPTKish hand here. We have top set. A whole lot of (maybe even most) "random hand" suck-outs are via 2 pair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-08-2004, 10:02 PM

#20 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krapp

Since these opps are loony, I would be more inclined to call (3-way not HtoH) then to re-raise.

I agree, but that's not the case here. Only the EV of the side pot is.

But the thing that I don't see is that there wouldn't be a side pot if you just call on the river. (well, there would be a side pot, but it would be very small)

Are you creating your own +EV by creating a side pot and raising on the river? If this is the case, than this is where I'm getting confused.

It is best to call in a 3 way, but raise in a 2 way. But this is kinda both. If you raise, it will only be 2 way, but if you call it will be 3 way. So both calling and raising are correct. Is this right? I'm all turned around. Help me.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Krapp

09-08-2004, 10:17 PM

#21 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 313

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

It is best to call in a 3 way, but raise in a 2 way. But this is kinda both. If you raise, it will only be 2 way, but if you call it will be 3 way. So both calling and raising are correct. Is this right? I'm all turned around. Help me.

So complicated.... I would guess its correct to cap the pot if you intially raised him to being with. You feel you have the top hand and want to maximize earnings. However, I would probably just call (even it is HtoH) b/c he didnt cap the turn and lead off betting the river. Thats a slight indication that opps hand improved (or least feels they have a better hand on the river). I dont know correct theory, but bets on the river are either to maximize (or minimize the loss by checking) the pot or scare the opp away

Humphrind

09-08-2004, 10:32 PM

#22 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

Quote:

jc060896: Bet ($6)
Z Red Barron: Call All-in ($2)
scgolfer: Raise ($12)
jc060896: Raise ($12)
scgolfer: Raise ($12)
jc060896: Call All-in ($3)

jc bet and red barron called all in. So golfer can call 6 and the side pot will only be $8. But instead, golfer raises and then jc 3-bets, golfer caps and that's where the bulk of the side pot came in. I'm tracing the side pot to golfers raise, not jc's 3-bet or even jc's bet. Is this wrong?

The 3-bet by jc and the cap by golfer are almost a given, with jc having so little money he might as well throw the rest in. But I think the only thing to be done different is golfer calling the bet, not raising.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Krapp

09-08-2004, 10:40 PM

#23 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 313

Your right (I misread), the side pot gets created just by the initial bet by Jc and the call by Red. Im not confident I have the winning hand so I would just call the bet. (knowing Jc didnt cap the turn and lead off the river). However, I see some jokers lead off the river (semi-bluffing at the pot, they call the flop/turn) hoping the aggressor was bluffing and folds. Although I see that mostly in HtoH action not 3+ways.

Fnord

09-08-2004, 10:57 PM

#24 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

Are you creating +EV by creating a side pot and raising on the river? If this is the case, than this is where I'm getting confused.

Yes.

I think you have jc060896 beat often enough to build the side pot. However, either Z Red Barron or jc060896 beats you enough that just calling is correct if Z Red Barron isn't all-in.

The hand I'm most worried about isn't the guy trying to drive the betting. It's the guy checking and calling (Z Red Barron) and might have caught his card on the River. More often than not, when someone is cold calling they're on a strong draw or some idiot staying on a pair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-08-2004, 11:17 PM

#25 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Kansas City

Posts: 1,887

Thank you Fnord. That explains a lot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

BTW: It would be nice to see more interesting decision hand posts and fewer bad beat posts. Hands like this are almost counter-productive to learning how to play maximum +EV poker.

Also, this didn't seem to be counter productive. At least for me, this turned out to be a great hand to analyze.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Fnord

09-08-2004, 11:40 PM

#26 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

Also, this didn't seem to be counter productive. At least for me, this turned out to be a great hand to analyze.

Yeah it turned out that way. It's just fustration that the HH forum was starting to become a bad beat and "look at my amazing luck" collection...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

fishstick

09-08-2004, 11:51 PM

#27 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Mar 2004

Location: Carlsbad, CA

Posts: 1,405

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah it turned out that way. It's just fustration that the HH forum was starting to become a bad beat and "look at my amazing luck" collection...

playing stud, my final hand was:

but he had:

i got sooooooooooo screwed!

i'm sorry, it's the end of the day and i couldn't resist.

i actually found this thread very interesting - it got me thinking about the nuances of limit that i don't usually ponder as much as i should.

i hate what i have become to escape what i hated being...

scgolfer

09-09-2004, 12:38 AM

#28 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 629

Here are the pokertracker stats I had one each at the time. Not going to tell who had each to see if that would make a difference to anyone.

Flops seen -17% Preflop raise-9% bb/100-(4) total hands seen 183
Flops seen-36% Preflop raise-0% bb/100-(15) total hands seen 14

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-09-2004, 12:45 AM

#29 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

Flops seen -17% Preflop raise-9% bb/100-(4) total hands seen 183

Looks TAggish

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

Flops seen-36% Preflop raise-0% bb/100-(15) total hands seen 14

Sample size too small.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Krapp

09-09-2004, 04:11 AM

#30 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 313

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishstick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah it turned out that way. It's just fustration that the HH forum was starting to become a bad beat and "look at my amazing luck" collection...

playing stud, my final hand was:

but he had:

i got sooooooooooo screwed!

i'm sorry, it's the end of the day and i couldn't resist.

i actually found this thread very interesting - it got me thinking about the nuances of limit that i don't usually ponder as much as i should.

Damn, those bad beats on the river are a killer!

Fnord

09-09-2004, 06:18 AM

#31 (permalink)

Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck

Posts: 19,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishstick

i got sooooooooooo screwed!

I hope you didn't tip the dealer. You had the best 5 card hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

michael1123

09-09-2004, 10:38 AM

#32 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2004

Location: Rochester Hills, MI

Posts: 1,720

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

I think this is your NL game talking here. In NL, on the river with a scary board, you're more likely to just check / call, especially with a terrifying one like 4 to a straight when you have a set, because you don't want to be raised big, which may even happen on a bluff if they sense weakness. In limit, being bet out a hand that you think but aren't positive is the winner isn't a concern, as pot odds demand a call of a single bet when you have such a hand.

I typically wouldn't 3 bet / cap the river either, but I understand where Fnord is coming from with the reasoning that the guy is low on chips. You see that very often, that they're willing to put their last few dollars in with just about anything.

fishstick

09-09-2004, 05:16 PM

#33 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Mar 2004

Location: Carlsbad, CA

Posts: 1,405

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishstick

i got sooooooooooo screwed!

I hope you didn't tip the dealer. You had the best 5 card hand

what? i thought all 7 cards counted!

and i did tip the dealer!

seriously again, good limit discussion. it really is a very different game than no limit.

i hate what i have become to escape what i hated being...

Latest Poker News
KoRnholio	05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ... more at Poker Blogs »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

All times are GMT. The time now is 08:54 AM.

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum

This is not a gambling website.

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Poker Forum

All Other (Limit) Poker

How do you play this hand?

Play for FREE and practice your game at...