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Old 12-23-2008, 03:11 AM     Post subject: how do you fix this habit? #1 (permalink)  
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horrible habit of mine? better NEVER folds here, does it? and, i doubt worse calls. is this even worth betting, or should we call and hope he blew his wad on a one pair hand?

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if the river turns a decent hand to crap, i can deal with it. but, when the turn does it, i tend to play too aggressively..
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 if you check are you calling a bricked river?
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if you check are you calling a bricked river?
I would
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:35 AM #4 (permalink)  
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if you check are you calling a bricked river?
pot is so small, i dont see the need. but, i hate throwing away what is most times the best hand, too.

this situation always seems so "doomed" for me. 3card boards dont bother me much, either. but, four card boards piss me off. if i get any action, they have it. most times i fire, they fold. and, when they call, they seem to donk or raise the river w/ the 7.

i feel that if i am going to catch a c/r in the face here alot. and, if i check behind, YES, i almost have to call a river brick, unless i have a read that the specific player doesnt attack weakness (which i didnt here).
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:59 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I think this is a spot where on the turn you should be asking yourself how many more bets you think you can put into the pot and still have the best hand. In this case I think it's like 1.75. If more than 2 bets go in (from each player) you're obv. behind, but if only 1 goes in I feel like we've lost value.
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Just because there are two flush draws and some other straight draws I would b/f (river check behind) based on the assumption that he sucks (didn't raise BvB) and that such a player is not capable of turn semi bluff raise ... well, not on this board.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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wa/wb

bet vs passive and check vs aggro
river free sd vs passive, call bet vs aggro

IF passive raises turn, close peel or fold, no more bets unless u fill up if u decide to peel

REMEMBER: THIS IS A BLIND BATTLE

pple will make a lot more moves/bluffs/reps than normally, even passive fish are aware of how this board is threatening and they may try to take down this pot...
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I think this is a spot where on the turn you should be asking yourself how many more bets you think you can put into the pot and still have the best hand. In this case I think it's like 1.75. If more than 2 bets go in (from each player) you're obv. behind, but if only 1 goes in I feel like we've lost value.
this is kind of how i felt about it, too. i dont mind them calling a bet. and, i dont mind calling a bet. but, i still want to get to SD as cheaply as possible without totally looking weak and checking off to cards that may not be there.

however, when we put one bet in, and get raised/donked on a bricky river, how can we not call one more? there inlies the "trap" imo. how do we keep this to one bet? i dont feel like we control our fate here enough to be comfortable with the situation.

and, i dont think my read on the player was shit, at the time. sure, bvb war, and i LOVE those at these levels because players are such pussies....you can usually just steamroll them and get them to turn over their cards for you. but, this is still a scary board, we dont know how aggro we can be. we cant really fold. and, with no read on a villain yet, i feel stranded in the pot.

thanks for the discussion so far, but i am thick-headed here and dont feel like i am learning how to deal with this situation better than WA/WB. thats the way i played it....and, of course, saw the 7.

are there any other lines/philosophies you guys can suggest that make sense? its early in the morning and my brain is mush. although, i dont see that getting better anytime soon....lol.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:06 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You MUST bet this turn. You've got two fucking pair and he's gonna have waaaaaay more one pair or goofy overcard and/or gutshot hands that he'll call with than 7x hands.

Myself, I'm counting to three like i'm not sure what to do then I'm betting, and THEN I'm calling b.s. on a c/r. Really who doesn't bet or at least c/r the flop with 7x? Or donk the turn? If he's that retarded to play 7x so weakly he's going to have to show me his ticket for the short bus.

EDIT: I guess he's that retarded. Well I suppose the next move is to reserve a seat to his right for eternity. Next time make sure you bet and don't call a c/r from him without a v. strong hand.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:23 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I think this is a spot where on the turn you should be asking yourself how many more bets you think you can put into the pot and still have the best hand. In this case I think it's like 1.75.
Do you have a 1.75BB bet button?

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If more than 2 bets go in (from each player) you're obv. behind, but if only 1 goes in I feel like we've lost value.
This is more coherent, but the problem is you that to get 2 BB in you have to bet the turn but to avoid putting in more than 2 you would have to call a turn c/r and fold the river since you'd be up to 3BB by calling the river and thus over your limit. In that case you're better off folding your 4 outter to the turn c/r getting 5:1 since you're not planning on calling down UI.
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