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Old 04-09-2009, 03:15 AM     Post subject: How did I not get paid here? #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is a loose spewy machine, playing ATC from any position for any number of bets. He'd call down with 3rd pair and another time bet the whole way with it, play passive one hand and bluff like mad the next. Similarly, BB was aggro post-flop and I was sure one of them would bet, setting me up for a cr, but it never came. There's no real strategy in this post, I just can't believe he rightly put the brakes on given our history.

Table 'Corozal': $0.50-$1.00 Fix Limit HE (Real, 5-handed)

*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Hero : Post Blind ($0.25)
BB : Post Blind ($0.50)
Dealt to Hero:
Dealt to Hero: :Qd:
*** Pre-Flop *** :
2 folds
Villian : Call ($0.50)
Hero : Call ($0.25)
BB : Check
*** Flop *** :
Hero : Check
BB : Check
Villian : Check
*** Turn *** : [ ]
Hero : Bet ($1)
BB : Fold
Villian : Raise ($2)
Hero : Raise ($2)
Villian : Call ($1)
*** River *** : [ ]
Hero : Bet ($1)
Villian : Call ($1)
Hero : Show Cards
Villian : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $9.05 | Rake: $0.45
Board: [ ]

Villian lost $4.50 , Shows [ Ac Js ] (full house, sevens over jacks)
HERO bet $4.50, collected $9.05, net $4.55 Shows [ 7d Qd ] (four sevens)
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Old 04-09-2009, 01:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Players at these limits go into passive mode once you've shown aggression unless they have the stone cold nuts. And you could be on all sorts of draws and combos with that board on the turn. Or he figured you for exactly what you had, a 7. Up to this point, quads aren't a huge winner for me either. So don't feel too bad about it.
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Old 04-09-2009, 01:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
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quads are hard to get paid. they require a huge 2nd best hand. but, you know that.

i cant believe you didnt bet the flop, given your read. any reasoning behind that check?
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
 
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:31 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yep, this happens, but it isn't common:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4, 4
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO (poster) calls

Flop: (11 SB) 4, 5, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold

Turn: (7.5 BB) J (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls

River: (11.5 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO calls, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.66 (16.5 BB) | Rake: $0.03

Results:
Hero had 4, 4 (four of a kind, fours).
CO mucked 5, A (two pair, fives and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $0.63
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I believe it. You 3bet the turn and then the river counterfeited his ace kicker. He doesn't really beat anything other than a straight now.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I believe it. You 3bet the turn and then the river counterfeited his ace kicker. He doesn't really beat anything other than a straight now.
From his perspective, this could have been a FH over FH situation as well. I'd likely play a 9 or a small pp in the same fashion. Considering my pre-flop limp, it's doubtful I have a premium pair so he doesn't have to worry about a sevens-over FH that beats him.

It's really just shocking considering previous hands. At one point he capped a AKQ flop with Q2.
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quads are hard to get paid. they require a huge 2nd best hand. but, you know that.

i cant believe you didnt bet the flop, given your read. any reasoning behind that check?
It was an attempt to cr to build the pot. I'm extremely surprised villian didn't bet with top pair. He'd not previously shown such resistance.
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:20 PM #8 (permalink)  
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quads are hard to get paid. they require a huge 2nd best hand. but, you know that.

i cant believe you didnt bet the flop, given your read. any reasoning behind that check?
It was an attempt to cr to build the pot. I'm extremely surprised villian didn't bet with top pair. He'd not previously shown such resistance.
i figured as much. but, with such a read, isnt it better to lead out and hope he raises, so you can 3bet? at the very least, you miss no value when he plans to check and call (your only wish is that he isnt planning to c/f). with such a monkey, i am not c/r'ing much other than to isolate HIM. i am leading a lot, in hopes that he raises, for all sorts of reasons......like pot building.....and to thin a flop for me, again, isolating himself w/ me.

it seems that when these fools get control of a table (which i am assuming since you didnt mention it), everyone loves to pay double and triple to take hands with him. therefore, when i flop monsters, i look at leading out as a way to initiate the jamming. after all, if he has just one lone brain cell, he is looking for big hands to c/r him. the little donk bet makes him think he can still bump you out. granted, this guy didnt sound like he had that brain cell.
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i figured as much. but, with such a read, isnt it better to lead out and hope he raises, so you can 3bet?
Most of the time, I would. I like to be straightforward with trips and sets. This was reads. BB was aggro post as well, as I wrote in the OP. I somewhat expected him to take a stab at the pot with nearly anything considering Spewy was behind him, meaning I'd be able to trap both. It was a play for the ideal, I realize.
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:59 PM #10 (permalink)  
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So based on his play he either has a small FH or a draw that missed. Maybe c/r the river? He won't call with a missed draw anyways and he might 3bet Jx.

Either way it gives you some tricky points. I have no problem with not v-betting a monster on the river that won't get called anyways . I feel much better c/ring a monster against someone who can't understand why i would check it in the first place and then value-raises for me.

This is a weird-looking play that has a lot of value. It a) induces bluffs from worse hands; b) makes you look stupid; and c) sometimes makes people afraid to v-bet better hands on the river against you, saving you a BB.

and b) you're not stupid if he's only going to fold a draw anyways. If he bets anything he'll at least call your raise.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:27 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i figured as much. but, with such a read, isnt it better to lead out and hope he raises, so you can 3bet?
Most of the time, I would. I like to be straightforward with trips and sets. This was reads. BB was aggro post as well, as I wrote in the OP. I somewhat expected him to take a stab at the pot with nearly anything considering Spewy was behind him, meaning I'd be able to trap both. It was a play for the ideal, I realize.
lol. i cant tell you how often Chopper Van GREEDerson sits down to play poker in my place. we look like the same guy, but my twin is so inside his own head he often costs himself bb's.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:48 PM #12 (permalink)  
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So based on his play he either has a small FH or a draw that missed. Maybe c/r the river? He won't call with a missed draw anyways and he might 3bet Jx.
Yep, this would probably have been a better play.

This was really a Tilt post more than anything, saved just for you Limit guys.
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