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Old 11-27-2005, 02:48 AM     Post subject: How to defend against floaters #1 (permalink)  
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 I'll post the first strategy question in the new forum.

How do you defend against cold callers that raise on the turn? Whether they have a hand or not is not the question, all you know is they don't have nearly as strong a hand as they are representing, but you don't feel like getting into a raising war with your unimproved KQo.

Any ideas? Probably switch tables or wait until you have a hand to nail them.


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Old 11-27-2005, 03:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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My first question is, how do you know they don't have as strong a hand as they are representing? What read do you have on this guy that makes you so sure? I find that a large percentage of the time somebody cold calls preflop, calls the flop, and then raises the turn, they either hit a low set or if they are an idiot they might have hit a wierd 2 pair. If all you have is unimproved KQ, unless you have a great read on the guy, I'd say you pretty much have to fold here. If it is a draw heavy board and it's probable the guy is throwing out a semi-bluff, it changes things a bit, but I still think you have to fold the KQ and wait for a better hand. Now if somebody is making a habit of running this play often on bluffs, then I think you just need to start calling him down with your big aces and hope that he is doing it even when you hit the board and you'll take all his money eventually.
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 Let me find some floaters here...

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about though and I was exagerating with KQo.


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 Villain is 20/10/1.25, marginal winner in 1700 hands and I'm guessing because of shit like this.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 7.
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6, 8, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ah Jh (one pair, jacks).
Hero has 7h 7c (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: SB wins 10 BB.

Villain is 22/10/1.31 through 221 hands; PT says he's cold called once with T9s HU.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 2, T, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

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Old 11-27-2005, 11:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't know what you can do without a very specific read. With those stats, it's hard to read these guys as raising with air, especially when you are 8-tabling.

Against more aggressive players, I'll call down with any hand I feel I can showdown. Against these guys, I'd probably have to play a hand like hand 1 before I figured out what was going on.

If you feel like you are laying down too many hands, going to showdown will discourage this kind of thing, but they need to be bluffing like 25% of the time for that to be +EV (ex meta game considerations) assuming they will follow up on the river.
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