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asdpikas

10-08-2008, 04:13 AM Post subject: how to deal with....?

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....100% vpip avg 6max tables

i mean... variance is just incredible, the swings are tremendous... should i start table selecting tighter tables if i cant psychologically handle these?

let me illustrate (notice how it is still 4ways in a pf capped pot, 3ways after capping the flop, 3ways after 3betting turn, and i still get paid off by Qhi and the main pot is won by 82s o_0)

1/2 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($29.25)
UTG 1 ($69.00)
CO ($63.25)
BTN ($26.36)
Hero ($33.42)
BB ($11.25)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is SB

UTG calls, UTG 1 calls, 1 fold, BTN calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG 1 folds, BTN calls, Hero 4-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, BTN calls

Flop:

(17.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB 4-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls

Turn:

(14.5 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls

River:

(21.4 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

Final Pot: 23.4 BB
Hero shows:

BB shows:

UTG shows:

Hero wins 4.0 BB ( lost --3.6 BB )
BB wins 18.9 BB ( won 13.2 BB )
BTN lost 2.0 BB
UTG lost 7.6 BB
UTG 1 lost 0.5 BB

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Chopper

10-08-2008, 02:04 PM

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here is a quote from HEFAP p. 213...

"suppose you are in a game where 7 people regularly come in for the maximum. what kind of starting hands should you play?

"well, its a two-edged sword. on one hand, because you have seven opponents, you want to have a hand that does well against many players, that of course being the suited hands and the pairs. on the other hand, because the pot is being "capped" you are getting VERY poor implied odds.

"obviously, if seven people came in for ONE bet, a hand like :Jh::Th: would be very nice...

"however, if seven people come in for the maximum, you have very little in the way of implied odds. this means that once you are in a game where the pots are constantly capped, you want to play hands similar to the hands you would play if there was no betting from the flop on."

recommended: AA-QQ/AKs only.

because "playing this way is BORING and doesnt guarantee you a win over any single session. but, this strategy will 'get the best of it' because too much money is going into the pot compared to the initial blinds."

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Chopper

10-08-2008, 02:06 PM

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or, just search for tighter games.

your pick.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Rubeskies

11-11-2008, 02:16 AM

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asdpikas,

It sounds to me like you were running bad and in a poor state of mind when you wrote this post.

First, 100% VPIP would be a dream table. Those players are bad. There is a reason you don't play 100% VPIP, it's spewing money. The swings would be really high, but your winrate would go through the roof.

Second, BB played this hand perfectly IMO. I would have played it exactly the same. What would you have done differently?

Fnord

11-11-2008, 02:19 AM

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Good games, a lot of variance. You should see the LA limit games when they get going. There is an 8/16 half kill that sometimes plays like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

asdpikas

11-11-2008, 05:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubeskies

Maybe... won a 25BB pot today w AA and just felt the opposite of my op

82s i would muck pf to the 4bet, but thats just me. That's not the most horrible play of the hand, i mean, the guy paying me off w Qhi is golden!

Rubeskies

11-11-2008, 05:17 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubeskies

Maybe... won a 25BB pot today w AA and just felt the opposite of my op

82s i would muck pf to the 4bet, but thats just me. That's not the most horrible play of the hand, i mean, the guy paying me off w Qhi is golden!

At that point you're getting 20:2 with huge implied odds if you hit. Pretty easy call IMO.

But yes, the higher the VPIP of your opponents, the better off you'll be in the long run.

asdpikas

11-11-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubeskies

But yes, the higher the VPIP of your opponents, the better off you'll be in the long run.

I understand the +EV part of it, but have a really hard time coping with the variance inherent to this kind of maniac play. OP was more of a psychological cry for help, i guess...

Rubeskies

11-11-2008, 06:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubeskies

But yes, the higher the VPIP of your opponents, the better off you'll be in the long run.

I understand the +EV part of it, but have a really hard time coping with the variance inherent to this kind of maniac play. OP was more of a psychological cry for help, i guess...

Yup, that is always tough. Have you ever heard of the book "Inside the Poker Mind" by John Feeney? That really helped me with the psychological side of poker.

Also, have you heard of "Sklansky Bucks?" Basically the concept is, if you played the hand properly, even if you didn't win, you earned Sklansky bucks. Because in the long run the swings will all even out and the better players will make more money, even if you get sucked out on, you still actually made money.

The same thing applies to the true winrate. If your true winrate is 2BB/100 at .5/1, and you play a thousand hands of -2BB/100 .5/1, you didn't actually lose 20 bucks, you actually won 20 bucks. It's a strange concept but it helped me look past the short term swing into the long run.

Every hand you play is worth a certain amount of money. And no single hand means anything.

Chopper

11-11-2008, 07:03 PM

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thats a hard way to trick the mind for most people. and, i have a hard time with it, too. i do best when i just dont look at the money/cashier but once a week. i lately have no idea if i am up or down. but, i can tell you if i am running good or bad.

limit helps here, too, imo. its all BB's. i dont raise you a stack. i raise you a BB. easier for me to pull the trigger on marginal bluffs. easier for me to c/r you to tell you to F-off. easier for me to control a table.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

11-11-2008, 07:16 PM

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yeah, i am very aware of sklansy bucks...
havent read the Feeney book, i'll try to get it.

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